The "American Dream"

txswinner

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This day in 1941 began the greatest era of our country.<br /><br />The era of the war and years following will go down as the greatest years of the United States. It was the age of the middle class where families were families, parents worked hard and wanted their children to do more. It was all about the "American Dream."<br /><br />During this time companies were about employees and not about huge salaries and bottom line only. Labor was recognized and not identified as necessary evil. Workers were loyal and even bought their company products if available.<br /><br />Kids could walk the streets at night and feel safe. Oh yeah and what was marijuana. Morals were important and Christmas was Christmas. We lived our lives with Christian beliefs without a need of political correctness.<br /><br />A Japanese was a jap, but could become an American and be accepted as equal. However, we did not feel a need to give our jobs to them and heck no one wanted their inferior products.<br /><br />Germany was split and we worried about the communist but make no bones we would have all been ready to sign up and go after them if needed.<br /><br />All of sudden we somehow lost the idea of our government protected the people and Vietnam became a war about wealth not right or wrong.<br /><br />The morals left, Mom and Dad had to work to support the family, the rich began to distance themselves and the middle class began to shrink. Labor was convinced life was not about the dream but rather being better than poverty when actually they were only a paycheck away themselves.<br /><br />At least labor had medical insurance, a steady job and retirement. Then came global economy and corporations could abuse labor in other countries and make more money. All of sudden the image of American labor was overpaid, lazy and performing poorly.<br /><br />Where is the "American Dream", you know anyone can be President, you work hard you can make a good living, sick it does not bankrupt you to go to doctor, what happened to family picnics on Labor Day and Memorial Day and the big parades. <br /><br />I want Christmas to be about the birth of Christ. If you do not like it create your own holiday, I will not try to keep you from honoring it. Hey the 10 commandments are a pretty good set of rules for anyone so let us display them where ever we like. You got Budda rules or Muslim rules buy a monument and we can put them up also.<br /><br />Let's stop fighting the world for control, no wars for oil, hey getting rid of Saddam only means another group of crazies will take over and kill each other, bring home the jobs, let's make America strong, the best place to work, the best place to get affordable medical treatment, the home to Christians and others, tolerant but not wavering.<br /><br />Please no all is well responses. We are not the country we once were so please do not try to sell that. Let us exam how we can get back to the greatness we had and what we can do to make things better. God Bless America.
 

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Too many contradictions for me txs . . . You're gonna need to start your own political party. :confused:
 

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Couldn't have summed it up any better myself.
 

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i stood in line the other day,,a person was giving the cashier a hard time about a sale item ,,this person said "hey im the customer here im right and your wrong " i leaned foward and said" you know you are right and right now your an ******* she is a cashier go see a mananger "she walked out ,,as i paid the young lady said thanks
 

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Things change over time...Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.<br /><br />Imagine that!!! Stop the presses!!!
 

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I don't know?<br />You'll have to ask JB what the pot was like back then...<br /> :D :D
 

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You can no more turn back the hands of time than you can “go back home again”. The world IS a different place and will be a different place tomorrow. Nice sentiment though.
 

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> This day in 1941 began the greatest era of our country. ...<br /><br />A Japanese was a jap, but could become an American and be accepted as equal.
Unless you were Japanese, or Japanese-American, which at that time was just plain American, ... ‘cause then you went off to a concentration camp, in America, and your constitutionally protected rights, well, they were in the way so they had to go. But those that weren’t Japanese-American sat on their thumbs and watched, that whole ”They came for the Jews, but I wasn’t Jewish, so I didn’t care …” thing was lost on them. But what wasn’t lost on those “Americans” was your property. They didn’t hesitate to steal it once you were whisked away to a concentration camp by the military.<br /><br />And unless you were of Italian decent, in which case you were luckier than the ‘Americans’ of Japanese decent. While they went off to concentration camps and had what was the American Dream ripped out from under them without notice, you were only placed under house arrest. Nah, your constitutionally protected right weren’t worth a damn in those days, either. But at least you got to keep your property.<br /><br />Sure, everyone was equal ... 'equal' in that Orwell-ian ‘Farm Animal’ kind of way, where some are ‘more equal’ than others.<br /><br />For some people those times were a better time, a glorious time, a time they wish they could relive. For others, it was a nightmare, something that should never be revisited, never wished upon anyone. Personally, I prefer to preserve that period of history just the way it was, the way it really was, in total, ‘les my children, and their children, should be doomed to relive it.
 

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Gripe, gripe, gripe.<br /><br />Jim Willis came to work for my stepdad in 1941. He was 81 years old and had been born a slave. He had traveled the world and was as wise as Solomon. He was strong as an ox and fit as a fiddle.<br /><br />People called him "Boy".<br /><br />He could only go where white men allowed him to go and do what white men allowed him to do.<br /><br />I once asked him why he allowed white men who were young enough to be his grandsons and had nothing to do to prove their superiority but to call this wise old man, "Boy".<br /><br />He smiled at me and said, "Honey Chile, that's how I gete them to do what I want."<br /><br />Jim lived to be 110 and plowed 5 acres of tobacco the day before he died. He lived to see his people become partially free, but not completely free.<br /><br />Along with the Jim Willises of the world and the American citizens of Japanese descent who were imprisoned for their genes, women were relegated to second class citizenship as well.<br /><br />This is what you really want to go back to, txswinner? I think you have a distorted view of our 20th century history.
 

txswinner

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Guess I overlooked the bad, but sure seemed better than today when kids can not go out at night without fear, soldiers die daily for only one reason, oil, we can not put lights on the courthouse unless they are holiday lights, not PC, if we say a blessing at lunch people think we are odd, but say nothing cause that is not PC either, Yes but Jim Willises had a job, not sure second class citizenship for Mom was true, she voted and could work, and sure not equal today, check surveys of executive salaries.<br /><br />Today we are all about greed, not big but huge houses, the right clothes for the kids, most expensive cars, life has become a facade. Sound part is a lot of this describes my life as well.<br /><br />Times are not as good as then we have 37 million living below poverty. Huge numbers without health care. What is saddest of all is how the helpless children and many senior citizens must live and in this great country, healthcare is based on how much money you have.<br /><br />My view maybe too rosie but distorted would be for those who think we are in good shape today.
 

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Technically, txswinner, I am one of those 27 million. I live well and enjoy my life. Poverty is a state of mind.<br /><br />There are things about days past that I would like to have kept. I think anyone can say that, but I will take now over then without a moment of thought.<br /><br />I strongly disagree with your cynical comment about what our young men and women are fighting for.<br /><br />FWIW, more young Americans have died of DUI in the past 2 1/2 years than have died in Iraq. Would you call that dying for only one thing, stupidity?
 

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You have claimed to be a former big time exec. so make up your mind over the poverty carp.<br /><br />Second poverty does not include those with a boat or house they own.<br /><br />Third do you have 10 people in your home and do you sometimes go to sleep hungry.<br /><br />And if you are in poverty get off you butt and computer (those in poverty can not afford internet) and get a job you are so smart.<br /><br />Your DUI remark is based on nothing, in fact I know of no such stat. Only kept as DWI, they are different.<br /><br />Comparing drunks to soldiers you are one sick ole dude. Oops guess you will moderate this one. You "cynical" remark is not name calling again I guess.
 

txswinner

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I guess that picture with the fish is when you were getting ready to clean it for some wealthy guy who was going to give you piece for your efforts. That looks a lot like Texas. NOT
 

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There are things about the good ol' days that were good. There are things about the good ol' days that were bad.<br /><br />Txswhiner, you really are out of line. If JB administers a good ol' fashioned ***-whoopin' to ya (maybe you'll stop pining for the good ol' days then, huh?), I'll just sit here and cheer. You deserve it.<br /><br /> :)
 

txswinner

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That works for me. Just don't give me former big time exec. one day and poverty next. No since closing ones eyes to the poor and playing poor; I understand it is really not that much fun anyway.
 

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Since the class warfare card has been played, txs how do you identify the rich? A lso, much that which was described as once being good but now gone looks like a page from the primer of union gripes. Yep, the same folks now suffering from a malaise of self inflicted wounds and whose leaders stole them blind.
 

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All are entitiiled to their opinion.<br /><br />My opinion, poverty is no state of mind.<br /><br />"state of mind" will not: <br /><br />put gas in my tank, food on the table, clothes on my back, heat in my house, necessities for my children, an adress to have mail sent, mail to send, highten my self esteem, turn the electricity on, fuel the water heater, light the furnace, pay car insurance, pay car payments, pay medical bills or many, many, many other things needed to survive. <br /><br />True poverty will earn you: <br /><br />a place on the dark side of town where you can't go out at night, a way of earning money you may otherwise not choose, an ethical dilemma/choice no person should ever have to make, a small chance your children will get a fair shake at life,and the worst of all, little hope. <br /><br />True poverty is absolutely not a state of mind.
 

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"Poverty" is defined by your 27 million stat based on income only, txs. I was pointing out that many of us in "poverty" defined by income are not poor at all. My income is enough for what I need.<br /><br />I do not recall ever claiming to be a "big time exec.". In my careers I sometimes held positions of high responsibility, but I was an educator, and educators are not highly paid.<br /><br />The poverty I refer to as a state of mind. . . .poor me, victim, exploited by "fat cats", helpless.<br /><br />Where you are out of line, and at risk, txs, is that you have attacked me, personally. That is forbidden. You are free to attack ideas, but not people. Watch it.
 

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Just a little side-note here, if I may...<br /><br />Most, if not all of us who post here, are nowhere near "poverty," at least not economically. There are truly poor people in the world, and all but the poorest Americans are wealthy by comparison. If you have a roof over your head, stay relatively warm (not an easy thing to do in North Texas tonight!), and eat every day, you are richer than a large percentage of the world's population. And YES, I'll admit that I sometimes take it all for granted now and then, but in my heart I know that I am materially blessed far more than most.<br /><br />Maybe we should all think about it.
 
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