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bman440440

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IMO I would get a long block and be done with it... there are some good deals out there and it would save a fair amount of time
 

FreeBeeTony

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Seems like surface rust.......may try to clean the cylinders and piston tops, get the heads re-furbed, replace exhaust manifold/risers and see what happens.
In the thinking stage right now............really don't want to pull the block.
 

Lou C

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Take some high res pix and show em to Kevin in the machine shop at SK speed, see what he says...
I guessin he'll say it needs to come apart but I'm just a beginner with this...
 

FreeBeeTony

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Engine seems locked up now......can't turn it over w/ the crank bolt.
​I have the harness disconnected...........if I jump the slave solenoid will the starter still turn?
 

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..if I jump the slave solenoid will the starter still turn?

Ayuh,.... If the battery is still hooked up, it should,....

Ya already pulled the drive, Right,..??
 

Lou C

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Maybe spray all the cyls with Kano Kroil before trying to get it to turn over. Let it soak in for a day or 2 first. Id spray shop towls with it or PB Blaster and wipe down the cyls and clean em out as much as you can. Then spray all the cyls really well let it soak...then squirt some plain motor oil around the rings and let it soak in before try cranking it but be careful you don't want to break the rings.

I can't recall exactly how long it took me to figure out my engine had salt water in 2 cyls, prob 2-3 days then I drsined the block and fogged the heck of it. When I took the heads off there was surface rust on the combustion chamber of the heads but not in the cyl walls; they were rust free....
 
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FreeBeeTony

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I sprayed the sh!t out of the cylinders w/ WD-40 yesterday.
​Gave each piston a wack w/ a 2x3 and a baby sledge,
​Afraid to get on the crank bolt much more. What is the method of using longer bolts on the damper? Special strength bolts?
Yes, drive is off........was hoping that would have helped.........:grumpy:
 

Lou C

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WD 40 won't do it you need something that will dissolve the rust like Kroil or PB Blaster. I read that a 50/50 mix of acetone and ATF works the best!
WE 40 is just a moisture displacer
 

FreeBeeTony

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Made your mixture Lou, tried the crank bolt, still wouldn't turn.
Jumped-out the slave cylinder and she turned over......I am so relieved.

​Should you be able to crank it over w/ the crank bolt?

​Going to spend some time cleaning the cylinders w/ some 1000 grit paper and the tops w/ a wire brush at the top of the stroke.

​Any other suggestions? Should I attempt to clean the heads some what to get the heavy stuff off.......they definitely need to go to the shop.
 

shaw520

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I know youre not going to want to hear this, but with the amount of water/rust intrusion in those cylinders I would have to guess crank bearings are going to be short lived,... I would at least pull the pan and inspect rod bearings and crank.
 

Rick Stephens

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I would also recommend you stop trying to turn it with the crank nose bolt. Put longer bolts in the three holes holding the harmonic balancer shiv on and use a long bar through those bolts to try and rotate the crank. Using the nose bolt will just strip it, increasing the number of repair items on your list.

Never consider WD40 a lubricant. It is **** poor at that. It is a pretty good water displacer, but lousy as an oil.
 

FreeBeeTony

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Rick,. engine turns over easily w/ the starter
​Have completed the 1st pass at cleaning the cylinders and piston tops. Pics to follow.....

I am hopeful I can get away with redoing the heads and replacing the manifolds and risers.
 

Lou C

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Maybe just let it really soak with the good penetrating oils sprayed in and wait for a few days for it to work; maybe less damage to cyl walls and rings that way...

​On mine it took me a few days to figure out my no start or slow start really bad running was water in the cyls not a tune up issue. So the salt water could have been in it maybe 2-3 days. Once I figured that out (boat was on the mooring), I drained the block and manifolds and repeatedly fogged the heck out of the engine. Then when I got it home, did some tests which verified the blown HGs. The water definitely did not come from the bat wing manifolds because I tested them with acetone.

​I was always able to crank it over by hand. In fact I did not use the starter till I got the heads back on. When doing a compression test with the plugs out before I took it all apart, I was able to turn it even by pulling on the drive belts wearing heavy gloves, so I knew there was not likely corrosion damage in the cyls before I took it apart.
​I also thought about bearing damage due to water in the oil. I did have the milkshake under the valve covers and intake manifold. I took out all the hydraulic lifters and looked at the lobes carefully. They looked really good. So did the sides of the lifters, no rust anywhere. I used the Merc oil for some years, maybe the business about better corrosion resistance than regular car or HD diesel oil is not BS.

​If you had a milkshake under the valve covers you might want to get that out of the pan, it is harder to pump it out when cold esp mixed with water. I used a heat gun very carefully with an IR temp gun monitoring temps, (like no more than 150*) to heat the oil so could get it out even though I could not run the engine. Changed it probably 4 times. After I ran it on the hose all finished the oil is perfectly clear and clean.

​Good Luck Tony I know what you're going through. Let us know how it works out. Just give the penetrating oil time to work.
 
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