Surge vs electric brakes

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Re: Surge vs electric brakes

Of course they will if you do that.

Surge will only apply enough braking to stop the trailer. It can't by design supply more.

The problem with putting too much gain like you are doing may cause the trailer brakes to overheat if you are doing a lot of stopping on a down hill.

Or they could work perfectly for three years and provide better braking than surge brakes.
 

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Re: Surge vs electric brakes

Maybe to get a bit away from opinion, even though that is what this site is for and I really like the idea. The below link is from the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (DOT) and their final ruling on surge brakes. It also includes findings on electric over hydraulic. It's a bit lengthy and gets into test results of all claims of fading, burn out and others, but well worth the read.

Final Rule - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
 

I`mNotMe

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Re: Surge vs electric brakes

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re: Final Rule - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

I read the above URL and cannot believe a person got paid to write that stuff. Must of been a government worker who wrote that one. LOL!!!

Wish they stopped their text "run on" and put their test finding into a simple comparison table. And, they stop testing against "20 mph well within the 40 feet allowed by Sec. 393.52." marker. A table comparing stopping distances of electric pad, electric disc, hydraulic pad and hydric disc systems at 30 mph, 50 mph, 70 mph would be much more useful. Compare each against the law's number of 20mph/under 40 ft (which all of them passed) seems like a waste of ink. And, a waste of dollars to pay the person to wire their text words....

Bottom line.... Wish someone can post a newer year (like 2011, 2012, 2013) table that clearly compares electric vs hydraulic brake system stopping distances. And, different tables for different ground speeds. Side by side comparison is much better than that text based run on....
 

Lou C

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Re: Surge vs electric brakes

Drum brake modification.jpgI think Bruce is right there is no way really to compare a straight surge system to an electric system because surge brakes will start to release as soon as the trailer slows down enough to relieve pressure on the actuator, whereas electric will apply as a function of how you have the controller set. Surge will apply only as hard as the vehicle brakes apply and only as long as it takes to slow the trailer. But on long down hills (surge's disadvantage) they can be applied too long causing overheating and fade.
Full electric brakes would not last here at all in salt water, I'm not even talking about the wiring I mean all the hardware inside the brake drum that is not even galvanized.
I have been able to make surge drums last by using:
zinc coated drums, do not rust up as bad
fully galvanized backing plates
starting with a new brake cluster, I remove the wheel cylinder, remove the dust boot, pack the area under the boot with marine grease, then seal the boot to the cylinder (aluminum) with high temp RTV (also seal the hole that the push rod comes through)
Next take OMC triple guard grease and pack the threads in the adjuster, and grease all the pivot points. This grease is so thick and holds up to salt water so well that my wheel cylinders last longer than 5 seasons although I usually replace them at that time and re-grease everything.
Here even Kodiak calipers seize up if you don't put grease around the caliper seal. And the rotors rust the same as drums unless you use the stainless version. I saw the rush to change over to disc brakes and honestly I still hear of plenty of problems with them in salt.

Lastly I use a screwdriver to actuate the brakes now and then over the winter and I think that helps to keep the cylinders from seizing because the piston is not in the same position all winter. Changing the brake fluid every 2-3 years is a good idea also to get any moisture out. I do that at 5 years when I change the wheel cylinders.
The drums I have do a good job of stopping the boat I have (single axle trailer, about 3700 lbs) even on the steep hills we have here. If I lived out west and towed in the mountains then yes for sure I'd have electric over hydraulic with stainless discs if on the coast.
 
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Scott Danforth

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Re: Surge vs electric brakes

oooh. Just like an oil thread.

I have had electric brakes on my old enclosed trailer. A good friend has them on both his car-haulers. I have had surge brakes on most rental trailers, all my boat trailers.

Here are my observations

I like the self-regulation of the surge brakes
I like surge brakes because I can tow with any vehicle
I like the ability to dip my trailer in salt water and brackish water
I like electric brakes for a dedicated trailer and towing rig such as a car hauler, etc.
I hate working on any brake system, electric or hydraulic, especially those that are dipped in salt water.......(stupid corrosion)
 
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