stringer fiberglassing and waterproofing

steve5

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I am replacing stringers and deck in 85 sea ray seville. I have found alot of good information on this site.
I was wondering if the stringers need to be covered with csm before installing and tabbing to hull for
waterproofing? My plan was to coat stringers with 2 coats of resin install then tab with two layers of 1708
first tab 4 inches up stringer and out on hull second 2 inches up stringer and out on hull then go over top
of stringer with 1 layer of 1708.Thanks for the help.
 

Woodonglass

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Re: stringer fiberglassing and waterproofing

This should give you a visual aid...

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Re: stringer fiberglassing and waterproofing

Thank you for the reply.
 

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you can glass them before installation if you wish.......

resin coating alone is a waist of material.
you wont be able to wrap the 1708 over the top of the stringer ....the big knit wont bend that way......use csm for the top, and the 1708 uo the sides.....make sure the grain of the cloth is going legnth ways.....if the grain is going up the stringer the cloth will fray and it will be a mess at the top.
 

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Re: stringer fiberglassing and waterproofing

Coating wood with resin before fiberglassing in not needed for waterproofing and so wood will not soak
up resin when fiberglassing? I have been reading alot of different threads with different opinions and ideas
on doing this type of repair. It is hard to know which way is best.
 

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Coating wood with resin before fiberglassing in not needed for waterproofing and so wood will not soak
up resin when fiberglassing? I have been reading alot of different threads with different opinions and ideas
on doing this type of repair. It is hard to know which way is best.

I don't think there has been any other advise given on this website about this subject other than you should always pre coat any wood with resin before glassing over it.


Do you need to wrap the stringers with glass prior to installing them....no, you can if you want, but it adds a great deal of time and effort with no real benefit.
 

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Re: stringer fiberglassing and waterproofing

Just trying to understand all this information.I have never worked with fiberglass and i want the
boat to be safe as it will be a family boat.
 

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Re: stringer fiberglassing and waterproofing

Hello steve,
The thing is alot of people coat their stringers with resin then csm to give yourself a layup layer and strengthen the resin as resin alone is not very strong .Like ondarvr said you can do it before or in the boat. You should always start off with csm then 1708. It gives it a better bond as there is not much csm on the back of the 1708. Then when you bed the stringer in the boat you can start tabbing in with another layer of csm or go with 1708. It is all just a preference on when and how you want to do it.You should have at least one layer of csm and 2 layers of 1708 on your stringer.

Cheers Jack
 

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Thanks for the info. I guess i am second guessing everything because i am ready to start
putting boat back together and want it to be right. From what i saw in the fiberglassing from
the original construction it's anybody's guess why stringers lasted this long did not look
very strong or waterproof
 

steve5

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When grinding hull how much should be ground.I am using 36 grit flapper wheel.I have
ground hull untill all bilge paint and carpet glue is gone and fiberglass looks clean is this
enough
 

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You really need to post some pics so we can see what you're working with.
 

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I copied this from another site of someone who know's. Sea Ray sued him and lost.


There are several reasons why rot occurs in structures that are ostensibly "glassed over.". The first is what I call the GEICO SYNDROME (we all do dumb things) when the builder does something dumb like boxing the stringers like Sea Ray does. In this case, numerous leaks in decks and windows caused the pockets formed by the stringers to fill up with water because there was no drainage-- and being boxed in, no on could see what was going on down there. Secondly, and this is a common problem, is that the "fiberglass" consisted of chopped strand mat is about as porous as a sea strainer, even when painted with gel coat.

Next, builders routinely paint wood with gel coat to make it look nice, but looking nice doesn't help much because water goes right through gel coat and gel coat doesn't stick to wood so good. When the wood absorbs water, it swells and the gel coat cracks, allowing in even more water.

The third problem is when the builder does a sloppy job of encapsulating the wood framing system, water gets in and never leaves-- ye old osmosis where water goes one way but not the other-- you'll find things like limber holes and exposed wood in places. Many builders like to paint the wood with gel coat so that it looks like protected. As you know, water goes right through gel coat, the wood gets wet and swells, which is why you often see all those cracks when you open the hatches.

Another part of the problem is that the quality of wood being used is often akin to Home Depot lumber-- third rate stuff like sugar pine and the world's cheapest plywood. Often the builders claim that the wood is treated when it isn't -- otherwise, why would it rot so fast? If that's the case, there isn't much you can do to prevent deterioration except to buy a better quality boat next time around.
 

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kahuna, the best point i have found in reading all this is to let any water out and if it gets in to have a way to get out and not sit. You look at all the old wooden fishing boats.They had more drain holes drilled in the stringers just to let the water out to the bilge. They lasted longer then alot of fiberglass boats. I do not believe in building a water tight compartment because some day it could eventually get wet. The thing is is to get everything sealed as good as possible and hope for the best. Most boats get 20 years before they show any problems, and they were never put together right from day one. So if a resto is done properly it should last 20 years anyway and if a man decides to sell in 5 and upgrade he has a boat he would feel comfortable selling. I know myself I would never and could never pass problems onto other boaters without them knowing. Good reads for sure, but I think most gurus on this forum know this stuff and preach it daily :)
 

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After tabbing stringers to hull and wrapping with csm i was planning to paint stringers for added protection from
water intrusion. I understand i should use unwaxed resin should my last lay up be with waxed resin or unwaxed
if i paint area?
 

ondarvr

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Painting will be of little value, you can apply gel coat if you want, but that's not much help either, in either case you don't want to use waxed resin. In fact waxed resin is of little value on most projects.

Save your time and money for another part of the boat and skip putting any paint or similar product on the stringers.
 

steve5

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What application would you use waxed resin? Just trying to understand all of this. I thought painting would
be another barrier against water intrusion
 

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waxed resin would be on the stringers top layer of glass......the airdry (wax) also add in water barrier protection......

im still mad about that carp that was posted from another site earlier......man.....he dont know jack !
 

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I copied this from another site of someone who know's. SORRY KAHUNA.....THIS GUY DONT KNOW ANYTHING. THIS IS A BIG LOAD OF MALE COW MANURE Sea Ray sued him and lost. THIS IS MORE THAN LIKELY DUE TO THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH LAW, AND NOTHING TO DO ABOUT CORRECT INFORMATION


There are several reasons why rot occurs in structures that are ostensibly "glassed over.". The first is what I call the GEICO SYNDROME (we all do dumb things) when the builder does something dumb like boxing the stringers like Sea Ray does. In this case, numerous leaks in decks and windows caused the pockets formed by the stringers to fill up with water because there was no drainage-- and being boxed in, no on could see what was going on down there. Secondly, and this is a common problem, is that the "fiberglass" consisted of chopped strand mat is about as porous as a sea strainer, even when painted with gel coat.

Next, builders routinely paint wood with gel coat to make it look nice, but looking nice doesn't help much because water goes right through gel coat and gel coat doesn't stick to wood so good. When the wood absorbs water, it swells and the gel coat cracks, allowing in even more water.

The third problem is when the builder does a sloppy job of encapsulating the wood framing system, water gets in and never leaves-- ye old osmosis where water goes one way but not the other-- you'll find things like limber holes and exposed wood in places. Many builders like to paint the wood with gel coat so that it looks like protected. As you know, water goes right through gel coat, the wood gets wet and swells, which is why you often see all those cracks when you open the hatches.

Another part of the problem is that the quality of wood being used is often akin to Home Depot lumber-- third rate stuff like sugar pine and the world's cheapest plywood. Often the builders claim that the wood is treated when it isn't -- otherwise, why would it rot so fast? If that's the case, there isn't much you can do to prevent deterioration except to buy a better quality boat next time around.

first off......if csm and gellcoat was as waterproof as a strainer....every boat built out of fiberglass since the 50s's would sink.
man what a load of carp......kahuna......tell that guy oops-(ward) says he dont know jack !

second....there is NO SUCH THING AS A BAD BOAT........JUST A BAD OWNER !
 

steve5

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Started cutting stringers today. Original stringers were 2 pieces they were not joined together
I would think it would be best to connect both pieces together. What is the best way to do this?
I am using 15/32 ACX plywood from lowes.Was thinking running 2 foot piece of plywood on
outside of stringer pl and screwed to join stringers.Would this be correct?
 
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