Stem cells...why would you be against it?

brother chris

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I am just reading about stem cells and was wondering why someone would be against the research of stem cells? <br />I have heard Bush give the approval of stem cell research, but there was opposition, and I can't figure out why?<br />Now...I am not into reading a 1000 page report on why stem cell research is good or bad. <br />I was just wondering if there are people here, who oppose it and why. <br /><br /><br />From what I have read, I support it.
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

I think people are afraid that stem cell harvesting from aborted children would beome an industry. Im in favor of stem cell research but would never support the intentional conception of babies strictly for stem cell harvesting.
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

Source of the stem cells is the problem.<br /><br />Fetal/embrio<br />adult<br />embilical cord fluids<br /><br />Many people don't want babies, or embrios killed to harvest the cells.<br /><br />Actually, most recent research shows that almost all breakthroughs and hope lie in adult stem cells, and in cells harvested from spinal fluid, not fetal cells.<br /><br />It is not against the law to do any stem cell research. The debate lies in whether or not federal tax dollars are to be used to fund research with cells harvested from fetuses or embrios. <br /><br />So its all about free gov't money.<br /><br />Also, this only pertains to the US. So here is a chance for the rest of the world to step up and fund, and invent/discover a cure for whatever.<br /><br />To date, no "cures" have been made using stem cells.
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

I think the research isnt the problem, it's the potential for misuse .... (this is a far-fetched example but it gets the point across): a child dies during birth, the wealthy parents are distraught and pay a quack doctor to clone them another one, using the stem cells. (that's a little star trekish for you klingons out there:)
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

Originally posted by azfyrfyter63:<br /> I think the research isnt the problem, it's the potential for misuse .... (this is a far-fetched example but it gets the point across): a child dies during birth, the wealthy parents are distraught and pay a quack doctor to clone them another one, using the stem cells. (that's a little star trekish for you klingons out there:)
I never really thought about that!
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

Hey Chris<br />Good Topic<br />I think it's a little of all the above.<br />I heard something a couple weeks ago about some research showing better stem cells were being found for testing. I was between point A and B while driving and didnt catch the whole story.<br />It might have been what roscoe was saying.
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

If it can find cures for the millions that suffer in their everyday lives, then I say go for it.
 

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Bro Chris,<br /><br />Stem Cell research is not banned here. Another mis-truth by our liberal media pals. Bush won't sign on for the Federal government to FUND research on embryonic stem cells. Private research is ongoing.
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

Blade X has this right (others too). What happens if it turns out that Embryonic stem cells cure the common cold? Cancer? I used Embryonic on purpose, because it is not hard to imagine Embryo factories, and from there it is not hard to understand the reluctance to embrace completely by all. You need to look past the potential benefits and what could actually happen after.<br /><br />I am not opposed to research either, but there is an ethical issue waiting at the tail end of this deal . . .<br /><br />Oh, and KG is right too. The left wants any opportunity to make GW look silly, stupid, evangelical, cold, rigid, uncaring, old fashioned, dogmatic, ridiculous, scorn worthy and mean. Activists (some in the media definitely are) don't care if they lie, because their cause is ultimately superior and justifies untruths.
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

I am firmly against HARVESTING embrios for stem cell research. There is too much potential for misuse and too many people out there that feel the end justifies the means, so if it saves a person, who cares how many babies are aborted to get there.<br /><br />I am NOT against stem cell research. There am many other ways to harvest stem cells and do the experimentation necessary.<br /><br />Unfortunately there is too much exaggerated truth from both sides of the agrument, and most people never get the full story to know what is going on and why. Therefore they jump on the bandwagon of being for or against stem cell research, when that is not really the issue. The issue is should the federal government subsidize a research that has the potential to create a business of harvesting embrios when it appears the same results can be gained with other forms of acquiring the stem cells necessary for the research.
 

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Unintended consequences is one of the problems<br /><br /> Will the cured people pass on their illness to their children? Nobody noes that<br /><br />My younger brother was saved by a experiment in 1959 BUT it left him brain damaged life went on he gets buy and married a women who was also handicapped and all was well until they had children<br /><br />Well both children picked up the things that almost killed them one lived 5 days one lived 18 months <br /><br />Nobody saw that coming but it happens a lot<br /><br />I think its a good thing but you need to look at the things you don't expect like how much you are will to spend to save each person<br /><br />There was and article in the paper this week about a women saved buy a drug that has cost 7,000,000 dollars to date to treat ONE person yes that is seven million dollars <br /><br />Its a hard call but what happens when suddenly theirs 1,000,000 people that can be kept alive at 7,000,000 each?<br /><br />tommays
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

Heard recently the same results have be obtained using stem cells harvested from the placenta.(sp) That could eliminate the debate on embryonic stem cell harvesting, but does nothing to address the other moral/ethical concerns. I see the great potential for advancing medical treatments through this technology. But there is also a huge concern for its “dark” uses.
 

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I found this where skin cells can be converted to stem cells:<br /><br />Rick Weiss<br />Washington Post<br />Monday, 22 Aug 05 <br /><br />Scientists for the first time have turned ordinary skin cells into what appear to be embryonic stem cells -- without having to use human eggs or make new human embryos in the process, as has always been required in the past, a Harvard research team announced yesterday.<br /><br />The technique uses laboratory-grown human embryonic stem cells -- such as the ones that President Bush has already approved for use by federally funded researchers -- to "reprogram" the genes in a person's skin cell, turning that skin cell into an embryonic stem cell itself.<br /><br />More.....
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

The original arguments were that you needed a fertilized egg to to produce the stem cells.<br /><br />These are called embryonic stem cells - stem cells from the embryo - there are other stem cells out there - basically your body creates many different types of stem cells.<br /><br />This is all wild and crazy stuff - if you fertilize the egg in a petri dish then throw it away is that an abortion?<br /><br />Many have given up on these embryonic ones because they cant get them to turn into any type of cell to start with.
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

Stem cell research does not necessarily include cloning a human being. Stem cells can be harvested after a birth. They do not have to come from an embryo, a fetus, a child or anywhere else that could harm an embryo or human. They can be harvested from the after birth, the part of all births that end up discarded. <br /><br />A stem cell is a stem cell is a stem cell. Stem cells are no different regardless of where they are taken from, be it the marrow or after birth or an embryo. Stem cells are the precursors to every cell in your body. The significance to stem cells is that they have yet to differentiate. In other words they have the ability to become brain, liver, skin, muscle and every other cell type we have. <br /><br />With stem cell research, it is believed that many defects and injuries have the potential for being reversed. Everything from Parkinsons, alzheimers, cancers, downs to asthma and numerous other problems and diseases we face every day. <br /><br />Christopher Reeve was hopeful that stem cells could help repair his spinal chord, thus allowing him to regain use of his body. Obviously it never happened.<br /><br />Brother Chris, fear is almost always created out of ignorance of anything. I guess it is human nature. When cells are properly harvested, no person, baby, or fetus is ever harmed. However, with government money, it is feared that some researchers may cross the line and do some things that most feel to be immoral. People should be cautious to let research begin without strict protective laws to unborn babies. <br /><br />Once again though, the researchers without similar morals that the rest of us have are doing those things today that we fear would happen if research was funded. <br /><br />Concerns with passing genes on to children is a concern. It will continue to be a concern until science can further study in effort to find the answers. No research, no answers.
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

Here's what the President said about it:<br /><br />
I made [it] very clear to the Congress that the use of federal money, taxpayers' money, to promote science which destroys life in order to save life, I'm against that," Bush told reporters. "Therefore if the bill does that, I will veto it.
May 20, 2005, from CNN.com<br /><br />By the way kagee, I haven't heard any media reporting that stem-cell research is banned - where did you hear that?
 

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QC,<br /><br /><br />
Oh, and KG is right too. The left wants any opportunity to make GW look silly, stupid, evangelical, cold, rigid, uncaring, old fashioned, dogmatic, ridiculous, scorn worthy and mean. Activists (some in the media definitely are) don't care if they lie, because their cause is ultimately superior and justifies untruths.
That is not necessarily the truth. Although some may want that, the average person just wants W to make an informed decision rather than the type he has made to this point regarding research. <br /><br />Personally, I do think he is informed on the matter, but simply does not want to cause a panic among the unimformed republican supporters, hence his statement supplied by jtexas. It would be very hard for me to believe, as hot a topic as this is, he has chosen to remain ignorant of the facts.
 

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Re: Stem cells...why would you be against it?

I am in NO WAY for harvesting embrios for research...NO WAY!<br />If this research can help others, but not harm anyone along the way....I say go for it. <br />I am learning stuff from this thread....and that is important to me. <br />I totally agree with GB with what he said, according to LF's post. That is how I would like to see it happen.<br />B.C.
 

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By the way kagee, I haven't heard any media reporting that stem-cell research is banned - where did you hear that?
It's the way they report it J.Rewind to the 2004 election, that was one of the major issues. All we heard up here in communist controlled NW Ohio was that Bush was against stem cell research. As your post points out, that is not the case.
 

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"W" is against stem cell reasearch & abortion.....Regardless Who pays for it.....He just doesn't think that any tax dollars should be spent on either 'Folly'.....Or that either should exist.....I think his position is clear....Clear but ..... Wrong! ....JK
 
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