SportJet 120XRTiming Questions

DanJet

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Hi,

I'm new to boating, and I have a very confusing question. I'll try my best to describe it adequately.
I have a 1996 Bayliner with a SportJet 120XR. I bought the boat last summer and it ran great. At the end of the season, I sucked the tow rope into the impeller and the engine stopped HARD. It wouldn't run at all after that, and it was the end of the season, so I decided to figure it out in the spring.

Someone suggested that my timing was probably off. I pulled the flywheel, and the key was good. Cylinder 1 is at TDC when the 0 degree mark on the flywheel matches the line on the engine (measured roughly with a wooden rod in the cylinder).

A mechanic told me that the center triggering magnets on the flywheel sometimes come loose, so I checked that and it was tight. I then used a timing light to check the timing on #1 @ WOT, and it was at 14 (not 32). I guessed the magnets must have moved, and decided to lengthen the linkage that moves the trigger so that I could see if it would run if I advanced it 18 degrees (standard linkage won't move it that far -this was just for a test). It started and ran great, more responsive than ever, until the tab on the trigger hit the bracket that holds the stator and broke off (repaired temporarily with super glue until I figure out what's wrong).

This is when I realized (via this forum) that I had checked for 32 BTDC incorrectly. I advanced my throttle by pulling out the small knob on the remote that lets you advance throttle in neutral and still crank. It doesn't advance near as far as when you are "in gear". When I disconnected the throttle cable at the engine and checked timing with the original link setup, it was right around 32 BTDC.

So, now I am back to where I started. I know that the flywheel matches #1, that there is fuel and spark, and that it will start and run well when advanced 18 degrees too far. When I try to start it at the recommended advance setting, it just cranks and cranks, not even a little catch.

Any ideas?

Confused newbie.
 

Anders67

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Re: SportJet 120XRTiming Questions

Hi . It?s sound that you moved the flywheel. But if key is ok, and you have 0 mark ok. in front of engine, and top piston in top. It shall be ok ?????.

I have sucked the line in one time tooo :cool:.

You shall have 8-10 degrees of timing when running on ideling checking with timing lamp, if you check on no 1 cyl. spark line. 30 on WOT.



Can you not see on the flywheel if the inner magnets have moved ?. It sounds that it can be one of the few settings, that can make that kind of problem.
 

DanJet

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SportJet 120XR Timing Question

SportJet 120XR Timing Question

HELP!!!

I've posted before, but thought I'd simplify my question and hopefully get some responses.

My 1996 SportJet 120XR cranks but won't start (not even a little firing). When I accidentally advanced the timing 18 degrees beyond where it should be, it started and ran great.

Why would a boat with such advanced timing start and run, and when it is timed per specification (32 BTDC at WOT - cranking speed) it won't start or run at all? From what I've read, I shouldn't run it so advanced or could melt the pistons.

The local shop has had my boat for four weeks and I'm really getting frustrated.:mad: If anyone knows a good repair place near Highland, MI, I'd love to know their name.

Thanks,

Dan
 

Anders67

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Re: SportJet 120XR Timing Question

Re: SportJet 120XR Timing Question

Hi.

If you put timing lamp on high power cable to No 1 cyl ( highest cylinder in stack ). You shall have 8-10 degrees on flywheel when running on ideling. Nothing else.


If you dont see 0-mark on flywheel when No1 cyl piston is in top. You probably have a sheared flyweel key. If engine run ok and flywheel mark on right place to no 1 piston, but out of timing scale on flywheel. It can be magnets in centrum of flywheel that have mooved.
 

DanJet

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Re: SportJet 120XR Timing Question

Re: SportJet 120XR Timing Question

All,

I hate unresolved posts, so here's my answer to my own question.

My boat runs well now. The problem was the rev limiter. I'm no expert, but it seems the rev limiter dumps ignition charge to ground when it senses you are at redline. My broken rev limiter seemed to think cranking speed was too fast. The thing that confused my diagnosis is that it must not completely dump all spark, or at least my defective limiter did not. When I ran the boat way too far advanced, either the rev limiter must have been intermittently working, or the reduced spark was enough to ignite the mixture at the lower compression due to the advanced timing.

Anyway, just thought I'd post in case anyone comes across my original post and has a similar problem.

Thanks iboats forum.

Dan

HELP!!!

I've posted before, but thought I'd simplify my question and hopefully get some responses.

My 1996 SportJet 120XR cranks but won't start (not even a little firing). When I accidentally advanced the timing 18 degrees beyond where it should be, it started and ran great.

Why would a boat with such advanced timing start and run, and when it is timed per specification (32 BTDC at WOT - cranking speed) it won't start or run at all? From what I've read, I shouldn't run it so advanced or could melt the pistons.

The local shop has had my boat for four weeks and I'm really getting frustrated.:mad: If anyone knows a good repair place near Highland, MI, I'd love to know their name.

Thanks,

Dan
 
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