Spark plug ID and ignition timing for 4.3l v6 2008 mercruiser

dgyank70

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Hello and thanks for any info for this ignorant but great mechanic-neighbor-having boater...

Engine Info (transom ID) A177296
Mercruiser v6 4.3l with TKS
Serial #: 1A335597
August 2008 4.3 TKS
Family 8M9XM 04.32VC
W.O.T - 4400-4800 (this is what the RPM should max out to).

Ignition Timing: 10 degrees Before Tap Dead Center


SHORT VERSION

Was having engine not starting / cutting out / power problems.

Having just replaced the distributor and rotor
-the motor seems to stay running, but seeing multiple issues around low RPM's and power, and a 'chuh chuh chuh' poor engine sound at low rpms when it's not running well; it occasionally gets up to about 4000 rpm WOT, but that's a good 6-800 low... We think this is definitely some bad spark plugs
-idle had been around 1100 before, should be closer to 650; with the new distributor, it's at least below 1000, seems to be more like 800

Current questions:
-what spark plugs are right for my 2008 V6 4.3l Mercruiser? (quite sure at least 1 or 2 are bad)
-what would cause engine to still be idling at ~800 instead of 650?
-Is an adjustment to timing necessary?

-engine says 'special ignition timing'; what timing adjustments need to be made after installing new distributor?

LONG VERSION / OTHER INFO

Boat history:
A couple years back, TKS system was failing (sticking maybe?) and was still putting fuel in even when warmed up; neighbor (long time mechanic) disabled that.
Over the past few years, have had a couple episodes of distributor problems causing sporadic engine start failures, even after already warmed up and running, etc. Diagnosed as condensation and moisture the first couple times.
Had sporadic engine start problems, spark plugs getting fouled, RPM / power issues.
Replaced a couple spark plugs here and there.

This year, just started again with similar issues; not starting, stumbling and stopping when in idle or between shifts, etc.

Found water and damage in the distributor again, points covered with rust, hairline crack in the distributor, etc.
One thing we realized is that after the engine lid cushion went bad, water was going right through a hole (by design, no idea what it's there for) through the engine compartment lid, and splashing all over the engine (rainwater collected by and passing through the cushion). That may have been the root cause for a lot of these issues, more than just condensation... Adding all that water directly and then also keeping that much moisture in the engine compartment...

We just replaced the distributor and rotor; the rotor wouldn't slip off, it was basically stuck on due to rust on the shaft... Had to pry the dang thing off! Then we had to sand down the shaft enough to be able to get the new rotor on!

Now it's starting fine, and not dropping out in idle or when shifting.





My own post from 2016 on earlier power problems that were spark plug related primarily, but also early distributor issues

https://forums.iboats.com/forum/eng...4-3l-alpha-2008-stalling-surging-rpm-oddities



June 2020

-replaced distributor cap & rotor (crankshaft had rusted, had to pry rotor cap off, sand it down to fit new one on)

-likely missing one or more cylinders

-idle seems to have dropped below 1k rpm (supposed to be 650), closer to 850/9



The tach: WOT (wide open throttle) should be 4600-4800rpm.

(I’m barely getting to 4000 in ‘good’ times…)
 

Bondo

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Ayuh,.....Welcome Aboard,..... It has a fuel delivery problem,.... I suggest a full on carb rebuild,.....

AC Delco MR43LTS for spark plugs,....

'n Merc glues the rotor button on, I bust 'em off when necessary,....
 

dgyank70

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Well I'll be danged- had to tell my neighbor about the rotor button glue! He had never ever had one stuck like that and didn't know they glued them on, thanks for sharing!

Also thanks for the spark plug info. Buying them now!

On the fuel delivery, my neighbor's skeptical- he's seen the RPM get back to the ~4200 or so after we've replaced a spark plug or two in the past, so he thinks that's likely the issue again. The gap from there to 4600-4800 may be due to the heavy gunk on the bottom of the boat (it needs a cleaning), and I've found a couple lists of other stuff- but he thinks if the fuel delivery was the issue, it'd have a bigger effect.

Having said that, today I took it out briefly, and it didn't even want to get to 3000 rpm in the first few minutes; I tried to run past that a few times and it didn't go, so I turned around and docked it...

So either I have multiple spark plug issues with multiple cylinders down and/or sporadic, or perhaps the fuel thing is sporadic & contributing also?

Thanks so much for your feedback!!!!
 

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The gap from there to 4600-4800 may be due to the heavy gunk on the bottom of the boat (it needs a cleaning),

Ayuh,...... That, ^^^, is probably alot more of the issue, than you think it is,.....
 

QBhoy

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Hi. Wee bit of a worry that the boat has seen conditions bad enough for parts to rust that badly. Might be good to do a proper storage check next time. Like getting all the water out the bilge etc etc and coating everything with inhibitors. Good ventilation when in storage etc etc.

Anyway...just trying to think about your issue with being a little short on rpm. If you haven’t ever had the boat over this rpm, then the usual place to start would be looking at the suitability of the prop. That is, if you are reporting these revs when it’s trimmed out well at wot. You may be over propped.
with the foiled plugs and running issue at idle. Is it perhaps the case that the tks module is having the now quite common issue with the tks module ?
 

dgyank70

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Bondo, thanks for putting context around the underside algae / gunk contribution.... I definitely wouldn't have given it that much credit...

Qbhoy, yeah, it sits in the water... The big bizarre problem was what I described earlier, where the lid literally had a hole, through which water was pouring right onto the engine... Also had a bulge pump go out once, and that caused some drowning of the engine also... :(

I did have to get the prop replaced; not sure if the marina made sure it was suitable or not ...

But now you've intrigued me with the TKS comment, please expound upon that.... I did have problems with it, and it is now bypased / disabled...
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but very curious to hear what the issue is with that which you references...

Thanks guys!!!!
 

QBhoy

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Issue on the 3.0 tks I knew, was the module failing and needing the fix now available, made it hard to start without throttle. It then flooded and was a bugger to get going again if you didn’t catch it the first time.
if you have had that prop changed I think you should have a look at it’s suitability for sure. I might be able to help you, if you can tell me about it and ratio
 

dgyank70

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Yes- that module failed somehow for me- in my case, here's what I recall
-there was a 'hissing' sound when the engine was cold (and TKS engaged) which went away after a minute or two (presumably after the engine had warmed up) as I left my slough at low speed (when brand new and working). Never had issues starting or restarting
-after several years, I started having trouble starting the engine even after and especially after running it. I could run for 40 minutes, then stop for 2, and then would have trouble starting and sometimes get stranded
-we decided that the TKS module was still injecting fuel, which was occasionally flooding the engine, and also causing spark plug problems
-so we (my smarter neighbor) somehow disabled it for now

So are you saying there's a fix or recall or something for that device? That would be great if I could put that to rest!

On the prop, that sounds great- I will have to get a look at it, have no idea- I think the old one got whacked with a quarter sized chomp, and the marina had a prop in stock, but it definitely wasn't a chosen match...

Thanks so much!

One other weird thing happened while changing out the distributor- suddenly the key did nothing... Again, my smarter neighbor checked the circuit breaker right near the distributor, and although it had a reset button, it wasn't resetting, so again he jumped past it for now... But I need to figure out that part and get it replaced- perhaps my attempts to crank it when the distributor was bad (before replacing it) somehow tripped that or something, I dunno...

Thanks guys! Going to get those AC Delco spark plugs now from O'reilly-
 
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