Some Advice for a Rookie.

Inti

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First of all Hi, I'm new to the boat trailering world and need some advice. <br />I have a 2004 Toyota Highlander, V6, FWD, rated to tow 3500 lbs.<br />I want to purchase a new boat, but want to make sure I call pull it on the street and up and down the boat ramp. I've talked to friends and some say I can pull more than 3500, but others say that I'll have problems pulling something much smaller out of the water.<br />I'm confused, I want something that will give me no problems or headaches. <br />Small is fine w/ me, I just want to be able to take it out of the water with minimal strees!<br /><br />How much weight can I pull, problem free??<br /><br />Thanks for the help,<br /><br />Inti
 

Major Woods

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Re: Some Advice for a Rookie.

I don't worry about how much my truck can pull...<br />I worry about how to stop what I'm pulling.<br /><br />Sure you can pull a little more weight than the truck is rated for but the stopping distance will increase to the point that it will be totally unsafe.<br /><br />Don't pull more than the truck is rated for.
 

Inti

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Re: Some Advice for a Rookie.

Thats fine, I agree with that. <br />But I guess my real question is if im rated to pull 3500 lbs and my whole package( boat, engine,gear, & trailer) weighs around 2500 - 3000 lbs, will I be able to get it out of the water?? :confused:
 

craze1cars

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Yes. As has already been mentioned, getting it out of the water is not the issue...it's stopping and controlling the load at speed that gets people in trouble.<br /><br />Just make darn sure you know what the actual weight of the entire rig is before you buy it. So many people go out and buy 19 foot runabouts that have 2,700 lb weight listed in their spec sheet and think they're within their range. Most of these rigs weigh between 3,500 and 4,000 by the time you put them on a trailer, fill them with gear, and dump 40 gallons of fuel in their tanks. But if your boat is small enough to weigh 2,500 to 3,000 fully loaded on a trailer, you should be fine as long as you make sure your trailer has brakes, you'll probably have to pay extra for them as they won't come standard on small boats like you'll be considering.
 

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Inti,<br /><br />Front wheel drive is not too good on boat ramps. The wet slipery ramps, uphill incline and added load make for spinning front wheels.<br /><br />Also keep in mind that a 3500 lbs tow rating means the vehicle can tow up to 3500lbs when the vehicle is EMPTY. The weight of people and cargo in the tow vehicle must be subtracted from the tow rating. So if you have 2 adults, 3 kids, and all your vacation gear in the truck (guess about 850 lbs), figure on only towing 2650 lbs. So your 2500 - 3000 lbs boat, engine, trailer package will be at or over the limit of your vehicle. Also keep in mind that most vehicles specify that speeds when towing are only 55 or 60 mph. Stopping and accident avoidance can be done safely at 55, at 70 you are probably out of control.
 

Inti

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Re: Some Advice for a Rookie.

Thanks for all the useful information.<br />I think I'll start looking at packages in the 2000 lbs range. <br />A follow up question would be what recomendations on small 16-17 ft boats can you give me?<br /><br />Thanks again for the useful info and tips!!
 

craze1cars

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Whoops...I misread your FWD spec, I assumed your Highlander was 4WD when I posted earlier. You definitely want to keep your boat light or you could run into some challenges with wheelspin on a steep boat ramp. But it should get the job done with a small boat. If you do get a rig that totals less than 2,000 lbs, you can probably get by without trailer brakes but they certainly don't hurt anything.<br /><br />As for specific boats, I have no idea what you're looking for. Fishing? Bass boats? Runabouts?<br /><br />I'd recommend aluminum hull/outboard motor combo for a boat that size, also helps keep weight down when compared to fiberglass I/O setups. A few popular and established brands off the top of my head are Lund, Crestliner, Alumacraft, and Tracker. Check out their websites and see if something floats your boat... ;)
 

brother chris

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Besides what the fellas above mentioned...you must be careful if your vehicle can stop the boat/trailer while backing down a ramp. <br />I just read another thread about someone going down a ramp and tried stopping and could not...he ended up hitting another vehicle and a boat too :eek: <br /><br />Rear wheel drive is troublesome at a launch pad while retreiving your boat, especially when the ramp is wet, which it usually is. <br /><br />That is why, when I bought my last truck, it is 4x4. I never have to worry about getting my boat out of anywhere. <br />With your FWD, you should be fine. <br /><br /><br />So, before you buy a boat, take it for a test drive. It would be better to know before you purchased the boat.
 

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you may have a state law about trailer brakes, but regardless I'm with craze1 - over 2000 lbs, real good idea. My boat is around 1200-1400 no brakes, I've had to brake hard a couple times...it really does add a lot to your stopping distance.<br /><br />Under 2000 lbs you've got plenty of truck.<br /><br />fishing or skiing? lakes or ocean?<br /><br />is there a boat show coming to Miami any time soon?
 

Inti

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Re: Some Advice for a Rookie.

yeah theres a boat show comming in Feb, but there is also one in a nearby city in OCt, Im going to both!<br />I'm primarily looking for a small saltwater boat for snorkling, diving and just cruising to the tiki-bar w/ my wife ;) <br /><br />My biggest concern is getting out of the ramp w/ my FWD truck :( <br />I wasnt planning on getting anything over my limit, I'm just worried about that slippery ramp we keep mentioning! <br />Thanks for the info, I'll focus my search on 2000 and under pound rigs.<br /><br />Thanx again guys!!
 

BrettNC

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Re: Some Advice for a Rookie.

With a good set of tires, you'll be fine pulling 3,500 lbs. You will need trailer brakes.<br /><br />Slow down and use common sense and you'll be fine.
 

kywildcat

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Re: Some Advice for a Rookie.

I tow my 18 bowrider with a Toyota 4Runner that has the same towing capacity as your vehicle. The boat weighs in at about 2500 with full gear and fuel. I've never had any trouble with pulling or stopping, even without trailer brakes. It would be a nice luxury, but just hasn't been done yet. As far as the ramp, I've never used 4WD, just low gear and taking it nice and slow. My father always taught me when towing anything other that a small utility trailer, give yourself the same stopping and manuvering room as if there was a fresh layer of ice on the road from a winter storm. Take your time and you should be fine. Enjoy!
 

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A Toyota Highlander is nothing more than a Camry with a SUV body. It is real light duty, including the brakes, transmission, rear end and frame. I would be cautious towing anything above a 2000+lb rig with a Highlander. I own a AWD Ford Escape that is also factory rated at 3500 lbs for towing. But instead of believing the factory hype I chose to read blogs from other Escape owners describing their scary "tail wagging the dog" experiences when pulling boats above 2000lbs. That got me to look under the rear of my Escape and I was shocked to see how light duty the rear end and frame of my rig really was. Ford's 3500 lb rating...no way. It would not be safe in my opinion. I'll use my heavy duty Ford F250 4x4 instead. More important, I don't want to tear up my new Escapes light duty rear end, transmission and brakes to pull a heavy trailer just because the Ford manual says I can. I would play it even more safe with your 2wd Highlander.
 

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Re: Some Advice for a Rookie.

Originally posted by Mark42:<br /> Also keep in mind that a 3500 lbs tow rating means the vehicle can tow up to 3500lbs when the vehicle is EMPTY. The weight of people and cargo in the tow vehicle must be subtracted from the tow rating. So if you have 2 adults, 3 kids, and all your vacation gear in the truck (guess about 850 lbs), figure on only towing 2650 lbs. So your 2500 - 3000 lbs boat, engine, trailer package will be at or over the limit of your vehicle. ...
This isn't quite right. The vehicle has a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR). That is different from the tow limit. To figure out your Gross Vehicle Weight, take the weight of the truck, add in the weights of fuel, passengers, gear, etc, and the TONGUE WEIGHT of the trailer, which should be no more than 10% of the weight of the trailer, if it is set up properly (you are likely to have all sorts of handling problems if it is not). The Toyota manual should also give you a max allowed rig weight of truck, trailer, and contents of truck combined. For my 4Runner, rated for a 5K tow limit, the max allowed is 9,600 lbs total, of which the truck itself - without passengers, fuel, etc - is apx. 4,300. <br /><br />I would opt for brakes on any rig over 1500 lbs !
 

FasterDaddy

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Re: Some Advice for a Rookie.

My advise: Sell the Highlander and get the 4WD 4Runner, 2003 or newer. I am familiar with the Highlander as my brother in law and sister have one. It's a very nice CAR, it is based on the very capable Camray, but IT IS A CAR, SO IT cannot tow like the 4Runner. The 4Runner gets about 10% less gas mileage but is a far SAFER tow vehicle. Plus you will notice an immediate improvement in power and trailer handling.<br /><br />You have front wheel drive and the tow rating is 3500 lbs. Front wheel drive cars ssuucckk as tow vehicles no matter what the weight rating... and the more weight they can tow the more they suck. <br /><br />First for any trailer... if the boat weighs about 2200 lbs, you will put about 500 lbs of cover, food, water, boat gear, junk and fuel in it. On a long trip the boat becomes the place for extra junk. Budget 300-500 lbs for the trailer with brakes and spare tire. The trailer should have a weight rating of about 2800 lbs. Add it all together and that car is towing over 3000 lbs. <br /><br />About front wheel drive and the small V-6 motor. Where do you live and where do you tow? Do you have to tow long distances or tow the boat up a hill? What about any hills that are not paved? Could you ever end up launching it at an unpaved or messy weedy ramp? <br /><br />If so, be prepared to get that Front Wheel Drive in trouble. I own a cottage on an a moderately sloped road on Skaneateles Lake NY. This summer the town was rebuilding the road and left it unpaved (gravel - NOT mud) for weeks. There is a marina at the end of the road on the lake. He offers to launch all cars and minivans on his ramp b/c it is not paved and gets pretty slick. He's seen a fair number of them not be able to hold the boat on the ramp and start slipping in, or just get stuck there in the gravel. You pay $15.00 for this service. I'd use use it with a Highlander.<br /><br />This last summer the marina owner and I got pretty good at pulling front wheel drive minivans and "SUV-Lites" up that gavel road. The front wheels could not get a good grip on the gravel because they were getting weighed down in the rear by the boat and trailer.<br /><br />I helped one Ford Escape, 3 mini-vans, and a Toyota Highlander get up that hill. In all cases I TOWED both the car and trailer (connected) up the hill with my 4WD 4Runner IN four wheel drive. We were too afraid to let the trailers off the cars. None of them were pulling anything that big, none of them I'd consider overloaded the tow vehicle. It's just that about 10-20% of the trailer's weight sits on the rear --- and that lifts the front of the car up. Not off the ground, but just enough to make it hard to get up a hill. So these guys got stuck. The more weight the car can tow, the more weight is put on the rear, and more likely they will be lifting the front wheels when you need traction the most.<br /><br />If that doesn't put some fear into you this should... THE FORD ESCAPE COULD NOT KEEP ITSELF FROM SKIDDING BACKWARDS DOWN THAT GRAVEL ROAD AND THERE'S A CLIFF W/NO GUARD RAIL. We had to push it and wheel chock it... while it was skidding (SSCHHIITT...!) to keep it from going over. Obvioiusly none of my family and friends wanted to sit on the hood to weigh it down. The owner had his wife, kids and mother-in-law walk up the hill. He spun the tires out and tore up his transmission and tires. Then he consented to having me tow him out of there. I did NOT tow him out of the goodness of my own heart, I am not that nice a guy. It's a one lane road with my cottage underneath the cliff!<br /><br />So if you tow a boat with the FWD Highlander, STAY OFF GRAVEL ROADS AND SLIMY BOAT RAMPS. They just don't do it very well.
 
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