So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

[KaGee]

Take a look at THIS. <br /><br />Scary stuff if you ask me.

 

[PW2]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

A radical political site on the internet! Who'd a thunk it were possible.<br /><br />Let's publicise it to make sure we get the fear and hatred going as much as we can. That'll do the trick!

 

[kenimpzoom]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

PW2, there are more Mexicans than you think that honestly believe this.<br /><br />They have realized it will be easier to take over the southern united states than it would be to fix the problems in their own country.<br /><br />We took it from them via spoils of war, why not them try to take it back?<br /><br />Ken

 

[rwise]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

maybe we should invade mexico and take it over

 

[JB]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

Well, when you have idiots demanding the arrest, imprisonment and deportation of tens of millions of people, some of whom have been here for years, some came legally but became illegal when visas expired, many of whom have children, spouses, siblings or parents who are US citizens you are gonna trigger this sort of backlash. Most of those people are critical workforce for important parts of our economy.<br /><br />Now, consider how we treat most petty criminals who commit one crime, usually a misdemeanor, as illegally entering our country has been for generations. There is no way the USSC will allow retroactive declaration of felony what was a misdemeanor when committed.<br /><br />We may fine petty criminals, but usually we simply put them on probation for a period.<br /><br />The "Guest Worker" proposal would be better named a probation program. To enter the program, a petty criminal (illegally present in the USA) would pay a fine and back income taxes, then go on probation for 6 years. If they successfully complete the probation they become eligible to get in line to apply for citizenship. If not, out they go.<br /><br />Most first offense drug dealers get a better deal than that.<br /><br />Hysterical attacks on millions of people are going to cause hysterical reaction from them.<br /><br />As I said before, Congress is simply trying to buy votes with a bill that will never pass in present form and by defiance of the smartest thing GWB has come up with in 5 years.<br /><br />I think it will backfire, big time.

 

[PW2]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

Stop the presses! <br /><br />A political post from JB I agree with!

 

[kenimpzoom]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

Do you really think these people will pay a fine or back taxes?<br /><br />And, if you actually start making these people pay taxes, do you think employers will still hire them.<br /><br />They are cheap becuase there are no tax or insurance concerns.<br /><br />A guest worker program will only work if we keep the labor rates low, otherwise, they will still come here illegally.<br /><br />My suggestion is to have two classes of guest workers.<br /><br />One would be tax free and lax other regulations, but the caviat would be to not allow them the free stuff that citizens enjoy (food stamps, welfare, SS, schools). The only thing would be they get free health care, we dont want an epidemic. Make them what they are... GUESTS. They will keep their citizenship from other countries and that will utilize their home countries social programs.<br /><br />The other class would be those with the normal work visas, but expand and streamline the process. These people would pay taxes and get the benifits of social programs, just as they do now.<br /><br />At the same time impose severe penalties for entering illegally and prosecute those that employ illegals.<br /><br />A solution that will appease everyone.<br /><br />Ken

 

[kenimpzoom]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

And JB I agree about deporting or arresting 11 million people. Stupid idea.<br /><br />It is American's fault we didnt enforce the immigration laws, and turned a blind eye while millions poored into the country illegally.<br /><br />Ken

 

[KaGee]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

Ken, you hit something there on the taxes. Place a VAT on their employment. Watch the pig start to squeal then.<br /><br />JB, I agree basically with what you are saying. Here is the dilemma as I see it... we can't keep track of things the way they are now, how are you going to enforce compliance with these new statutes? What are you going to do with non-compliance?<br /><br />I started this post to bring to light some facts that most of middle and eastern Americans may not be aware of. We're not faced with it daily and the media may not be giving us the complete story...(big surprise).<br /><br />The protests going on this week are highly orchestrated and manipulated. Some of the folks behind it are seen at that website. Judge for yourself what their motives might be. <br /><br />It strikes me that what is going on behind the scenes is a whole lot more than helping Pepe and Consuela to keep their job and residence here in the USA. I think these rallies are an insight of things to come.<br /><br />We're so caught up in hysteria about who operates the ports, yet we've been overrun by thousands entering our borders illegally and now don't know what to do about it. I love Ronald Reagan, but a serious blunder was made by granting amnesty to the illegals 20 years ago, without correcting the situations that created the problem. It sent a message then, as we are about to do now, come on in! If you get through the gate, you can stay with no repercussions.

 

[kenimpzoom]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

I agree Kagee. It was no mistake they were waving the Mexican flag while protesting deportation.<br /><br />Wouldnt you wave the flag of the country you want to stay in? <br /><br />Ken

 

[KaGee]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

Originally posted by KenImpZoom:<br /> I agree Kagee. It was no mistake they were waving the Mexican flag while protesting deportation.<br /><br />Wouldnt you wave the flag of the country you want to stay in? <br /><br />Ken

Ken if you read some of the photo expose, you will see a comment added, a revealing one, that the planners of the protest made sure that the American flags outnumbered others. <br />

One of the more negative parts of the march was when American flags were passed out to make sure the marchers were looked on as part of "America". <br />

Great numbers of our people grew eventually to over half a million or more people. We should be allowed pride in our heritage by waving the flag that represents the majority Mexican descent people of the Spanish language speakers. Mexican and "Central American" people are one people, along with all Indigenous people of this continent. There were a lot of Salvadorean and Guatemalan flags there too. But the American flags dominated because of the "bad press" from the march against 187.

You are right. It's not what you say, it's what you do.

 

[JB]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

We agree on more than you might imagine, PW2.<br /><br />I just don't make a practice of attacking my President when and if I disagree with him. He is my President; I voted for him twice and I have coming whatever he does with those votes. When I think there is a better way, I say what I think that is rather than stupid name calling and ridicule.<br /><br />I do make a practice of objecting when petty and sophmoric attacks on him are posted. Those things give aid and comfort to our (yours and mine) enemies.

 

[rosco_59]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

Well said JB.

 

[PW2]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

Ok, JB.<br /><br />I try to keep the criticisms of our president confined to specific policy decisions that I don't agree with, and not with him personally.<br /><br />It may be a fine distiction, and I don't claim I am always successful at it, but I always consciously try.<br /><br />And while I agree with you re this potential immigration policy of congress backfiring big time, that is only true if somehow they get their way and some sort of draconian measure is adopted.<br /><br />Controlling the borders is important, and a difficult issue, and compliance will not immediately be complete, but hopefully reasonable minds will prevail, and we adopt some sort of approach that is at least workable.

 

[waterone1@aol.com]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

When the congress and the american people actually believe that we cannot control our boarder....we are done. Here is my belief in this. Congress is not doing anything, because big business has told them not to. 80% of Americans have said....time and time again that we want the flood of illegals stopped, yet nothing has happened. If this were a boat, that was sinking, what is the first thing you would do ?? You would find the leak and fix it.Seams pretty simple to me, put real armed guards on the boarder with one simple directive.....shoot to kill! If they cannot handle the job, put our military there....after all this is about defending our country ! Once we have stopped the flood of illegals, then and only then, can we talk about what to do with the ones already here.<br />Next thing is to place a ban on any wellfare and medical help for illegal alians. Thats right....let them bleed to death...if necessary before they get medical help. Citizens get medical help.....illegals get nothing....period. Their children should not get schooling, none ! show proof of citizenship....no problem......no papers......no school and no wellfare.....PERIOD!

 

[POINTER94]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

Until we seal the boarder nothing we do will make any impact at all. If we want to keep the 12 million here in the country and provide a vehicle to citizenship that is something we can work within. But today its 11 or 12 million what about 5 years from now. 20?????<br /><br />If we want to do something about this issue the boarder is the first step to any program. At that point we can meter and control the immigration for all. But this joke of a program being floated is nothing more for political cover for incumbants. Protecting our boarders is the most basic of services to be provided by our government. Grade F-. And this is the same group we want to turn over heath care to? Good Grief..

 

[Skinnywater]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

Until we seal the boarder nothing we do will make any impact at all...... But this joke of a program being floated is nothing more for political cover for incumbants. Protecting our boarders is the most basic of services to be provided by our government. Grade F-...

In preparation for a bill the President wants signed should be efforts to show good faith. Like Pointer points out, the first step is to show that the "illegal" flow can be substantialy controlled. Second would be a "good faith" commitment from the Mexican government to positively assist in those efforts. Including a financial commitment to us to maintain and enforce the program. As well as a financial payback to the States that have been burdened with supporting illegal citizens from another country.<br /><br />Without some kind of conservative compromise, I'm against another liberal program from a very liberal President.

 

[demsvmejm]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

I thought I had a firm opinion about what to do with the illegal immigrants, OUT WITH THEM! <br /><br />However after reading these posts, and especially JB's (which I initially vehemently disagreed with), I find myself ambiguous. But one opinion I still firmly hold to ….<br /><br />LEARN ENGLISH, OR GO HOME!!!!

 

[demsvmejm]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

True to form, JB posted his opinion, which may have been controversial, but then explained why, in a very efficient, effective and eloquent manner, <br /><br />Thanks JB

 

[bootle]

Re: So you want to appease the "illeagal immigrants"

Originally posted by waterone1:<br /> Seams pretty simple to me, put real armed guards on the boarder with one simple directive.....shoot to kill! If they cannot handle the job, put our military there....after all this is about defending our country ! Once we have stopped the flood of illegals, then and only then, can we talk about what to do with the ones already here.<br />Next thing is to place a ban on any wellfare and medical help for illegal alians. Thats right....let them bleed to death...if necessary before they get medical help. Citizens get medical help.....illegals get nothing....period. Their children should not get schooling, none ! show proof of citizenship....no problem......no papers......no school and no wellfare.....PERIOD!

That will never ever never never happen.<br />Do you know why?... I'll tell ya why, It is because this is America, thats why.