Smokeless oil

[Andy3]

ok, so I haven't taken my recent purchase out for a spin yet. 1988 Bayliner Cobra with Force 125 outboard. The guy I bought it from backed it down the ramp into the water so I could see and hear it run. Ran great, but smoked a good bit at first, like any 2-stroke. I'm wanting to try the smokeless oil I see advertised, but certainly don't want to use something that is a no no. I've read other posts and see that a lot of folks are very pleased with the smokeless formulas. I've spotted a Lucas Oil product called "Land and Sea". Anything in particular I should stay away from or any other advice. Also, what is the best way to mix? Should I just pour the oil in the fuel fill, then fill with gas? Or premix the oil in a 2 gallon gas jug before pouring it in?

 

[Chris1956]

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I have never seen "Smokeless 2 Cycle Oil". What brand is it?

You should be using a TCW-III certified 2 cycle oil. The Synthetic TCW-III 2 cycle oils claim to smoke less, however, they still smoke some.

To mix gas and oil, you will want a 50::1 ratio, so add a pint of 2 cycle oil to a six gallon fuel tank. Now add a gal of gas and shake it a bit. Now fill with gasoline.

 

[foodfisher]

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When you get around to tinkering w/new toy, tinker with the fuel recirculating system. It may alieviate the smoke problem.

 

[robert graham]

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No such thing as a "smokeless 2 stroke oil", but the Pennzoil 100% Synthetic Outboard Oil smokes less than the older type outboard oils and produces less carbon. I mix mine in jerry cans and then pour into my main 12 gallon tank just to be sure it's mixed good. While you're at Walmart sometime, buy an Attwood fuel/water separator, easy 2 screw install on transom, save yourself a lot of fuel-related problems down the river! Good Luck!

 

[Andy3]

Re: Smokeless oil

http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=289&catid=17&loc=show

This is the link to the lucas oil site. It claims a "true" smokeless formula.

 

[ondarvr]

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There are many ways to mix the oil into the gas, you can add the oil first, last or in between and it's not going to make a difference if you are filling it up at the gas station, or if it's going to be towed to the launch. By the time you get 200 feet down the road it will be agitated very well. I always add my oil last so I know exactly how much to put in.

If I was mixing the oil and gas in a can boatside, or at the boat dock from a pump, I would make more of an effort to ensure it was mixed well.

 

[robert graham]

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There are many ways to mix the oil into the gas, you can add the oil first, last or in between and it's not going to make a difference if you are filling it up at the gas station, or if it's going to be towed to the launch. By the time you get 200 feet down the road it will be agitated very well. I always add my oil last so I know exactly how much to put in.

If I was mixing the oil and gas in a can boatside, or at the boat dock from a pump, I would make more of an effort to ensure it was mixed well.

I'm not sure that pouring the oil into a full tank and hoping that "agitation from driving down the road" is a very good habit to recommend. Seems like maybe sometime that oil just sorta settles to the bottom of the tank, don't really mix all that well, maybe your motor gets some raw gas with insufficient oil in it? Seems like a habit that might jump up and bite somebody in the butt!
Not trying to argue but I think I'll be mixing mine as I go! But good luck to you if it works!

 

[JimS123]

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Use a glass jar. Put some gas in it then add a little oil and observe it. Then repeat with another jar and put oil in it first. That test should show you the degree of mixing and homogeneity.

Soooo, to answer your question, first decide how much gas you want to add to the tank, then put the appropriate amount of oil in first. Then, top off with the gas. Then start the engine and go. You needed to pre-mix with SAE 30, but not TCW-3. That's what they invented it for.

 

[Andy3]

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Looking closer at the Lucas Oil ad, the bottle does say TCW3. I too am thinking pour the oil in first, followed by gas.

 

[ondarvr]

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I'm not sure that pouring the oil into a full tank and hoping that "agitation from driving down the road" is a very good habit to recommend. Seems like maybe sometime that oil just sorta settles to the bottom of the tank, don't really mix all that well, maybe your motor gets some raw gas with insufficient oil in it? Seems like a habit that might jump up and bite somebody in the butt!
Not trying to argue but I think I'll be mixing mine as I go! But good luck to you if it works!

If you have ever checked to see how fast current oils mix with gas you will understand why this is effective and safe. Also watch how much a boat bounces around on the trailer as you drive down the road.

And like I said before, if you were going to use the fuel immediatly, as in leaving the gas dock, or mixing the oil boatside on the water, then yes more mixing would be needed.

 

[ondarvr]

Re: Smokeless oil

Use a glass jar. Put some gas in it then add a little oil and observe it. Then repeat with another jar and put oil in it first. That test should show you the degree of mixing and homogeneity.

The test is to now put those two jars in the boat and drive to the lake, check them then and see if you can tell the difference.

 

[Andy3]

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While you're at Walmart sometime, buy an Attwood fuel/water separator, easy 2 screw install on transom, save yourself a lot of fuel-related problems down the river! Good Luck!

Should it be mounted on the inside of the transom in the enclosed space, or on the outside of the transom, opposite side from the tilt/trim motor?

 

[ondarvr]

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Inside the boat in a protected area.

 

[Sea Rider]

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Gas/Oil or Oil/Gas + shake works same; the order of factors does not alter the final product's performance.

Happy Boating

 

[F_R]

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How did this thread get so far off topic? I thought we were discussing the smokeless oil. Anyhow, it sounded interesting enough to investigate further so I put my zip code in the dealer search box. It turned up the local dealer is about 3 blocks away. So, I went over there----and they don't have it. Fat lot of good it does if you can't buy any. I certainly don't want to order a case of it.

 

[ondarvr]

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Also, what is the best way to mix? Should I just pour the oil in the fuel fill, then fill with gas? Or premix the oil in a 2 gallon gas jug before pouring it in?

Second part of his question.

 

[robert graham]

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Should it be mounted on the inside of the transom in the enclosed space, or on the outside of the transom, opposite side from the tilt/trim motor?

On most outboard boats just mount on inside of transom in front of motor in a spot where it will be out of the way and protected but still accessible to change the cartridge.

 

[robert graham]

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I believe the "smokeless oil" and the "fuel/Water seperator" threads got mixed up somehow?

 

[Chris1956]

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Well the Lucas Oil is rated TCW-III and Says Smokeless. I couldn't fins any dealers in my general area. Anyone want to try it and post back?

 

[Andy3]

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I put my zip code in on the website, and it listed 4 suppliers here in town, but you know how that usually goes. I'm going to look at each one and see if I can locate some. I'll keep you posted.