Small Fire..:(

[hotlava007]

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I used to live on Terceira Island in the Azores. Beautiful place. Nice people.

Oh Wow really... i lived in the Azores aswell, in Sao Miguel... are u portugues?

 

[Beefer]

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Here's the pic

 

[zagger]

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In heavy rain, water can get into the toggle switches commonly used on PTT units. When the water settles, it allows electricity to flow between the contacts that run the trim motor in the up direction. The motor will trim up and the PTT motor will continue to run until the water dries up or the battery runs down.

When you tried to trim the motor down, I will guess that both relays were energized, providing power to both wires of the motor. Perhaps you simply cooked a relay. Let's hope so, as they are cheap to replace. See if the item that was smoking is a black cube about 1/3 the size of a cigarette pack. If so, it is likely the relay. Relays and PTT motors are avail aftermarket.

I agree, dry thing out and test relays before connecting battery. As said, hope it's only the relay.

 

[jayhanig]

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Oh Wow really... i lived in the Azores aswell, in Sao Miguel... are u portugues?

No, my father was stationed at Lajes Field as an American Air Force officer. He was a pilot with the 57th Air Rescue Squadron there. I have vacationed on Sao Miguel as a child. I remember hot springs that smelled of sulfur, glorious seafood, and a pineapple plantation. There was a canal or stream that ran through the hotel property with swans. Great memories!

 

[hotlava007]

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Thank u Beefer for putting up the picture... Much Gratitude

Yes the afternoon was sunny and hot and things are drying up good... so hope to have it fixed tomorrow as i do have a Bass Tourny on Sunday and would really like to show the boys how a Lady does it..eheh

@Jay, wow u just made me home sick there for a minute, i kno those places well , like the palm of my hand , the Sulfur smeel stays with me everytime i think about it.. as a child my parents use to take us there every sunday, and we use to bring some of the water home with us.. not sure u had the pleasure of drinking some of the water where the hot springs are, not the hot water but the water the runs down the cliff's... i have never tasted better water

planning on going back next summer, as an RN'' Register Nurse'' and hardcore Bass Assassin its hard to have long periods of time off, but deff. going to take a couple weeks off next summer...ciao 4 now

 

[GA_Boater]

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The picture is showing that the cable into your trim pump needs repaired. I'm guessing the insulation wore thru and shorted to the pump case. I think that should be repaired before re-connecting the batteries. Good luck.

 

[04fxdwgi]

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Here's the pic

I would not connect battery until power lead to that motor is disconnected from the power source. That lead "SHOULD" have been fuse / breaker protected and hopefully that protection is what prevented the boat from having a major fire. It is a disaster waiting to happen as it looks like power cable is shorted to the housing.. Is that a trim pump motor or is it a hatch lift, looking at the ram right next to the BBQ'd motor connection.

 

[RogersJetboat454]

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Here's the pic

Now that Beefer got a nice zoom on it, looks like the heat from the fire at least blistered the gel coat

I would check with Mercury to see if that wire is available separate from the pump motor. Don't turn the batteries back on till that wire is replaced!

 

[hotlava007]

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Hello guys.. so heres the update.. got everything dryed up, and found the issue came from the bow control's to trim/tilt the motor up... really bad connection there, so i decided to unhooked and try out the trim.. i hear some clickin and whie holdin the trim button, the pump/motor ''pic'' started to smoke , so i unhooked the batt. and here i am.. so im thinking the pump/motor is gone, any ideas? would like to kno if there is a way /video to help me do this job....thanks guys.

 

[roscoe]

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Sorry, don't know of any videos that show a repair like this.

It may not be as bad as you think.

The motor may be fine, just burnt up wiring.

So, remove the wiring cable from the top of the trim motor and see if the wires are damaged internally.

If not, then you need to find an appropriate wire to test the motor.
If it works, then you only need to replace the cable.



Additional photo of the trim unit may help us to identify the unit you have.


Also, what is the model and year of the outboard?

 

[hotlava007]

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NIce... .... thanks guys for the info, i will try everything i can to see what happen... i have a link here to my photo album on photobucket i tried a couple things and took some better pictures for u guys to see , pls look at it and let me kno what u think... the motor/boat combo is a 1996, motor is a mercury pro series 90Hp.. ttys


click on the pictures to zoom allitle more...

link--> http://s1103.photobucket.com/albums/g475/hotlava0071/

 

[roscoe]

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Here is a parts diagram.

Click to enlarge.






Hopefully you can just replace the wiring.

This has worked for me in the past.

The Mercury replacement motor is very expensive.
If the motor is shot, you are better off replacing with a used one from ebay, or a new aftermarket unit.

 

[hotlava007]

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Here is a parts diagram.

Click to enlarge.



View attachment 105326


Hopefully you can just replace the wiring.

This has worked for me in the past.

The Mercury replacement motor is very expensive.
If the motor is shot, you are better off replacing with a used one from ebay, or a new aftermarket unit.

thanks u roscoe for the diagram, made it easy to tackle it .... anyways i got the motor off and what a nightmare im gonna cry now anytime...., pls check the new pics i added to the photo album....heres the link again, and remeber to click on the pics to zoom in...

what are my options now?

link.. http://s1103.photobucket.com/albums/g475/hotlava0071/

 

[roscoe]

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Doesn't look pretty.
Probably not worth messing with.

I would just order up a new one, either from iboats, ebay, or locally.

Here are the 3 that iboats sells for that motor.

http://www.iboats.com/mall/partfind...gd_poid=187631&gd_row=50&**********=432613774

http://www.iboats.com/mall/partfind...gd_poid=356034&gd_row=50&**********=432613774

http://www.iboats.com/mall/partfind...gd_poid=112045&gd_row=50&**********=432613774


Then, get yourself a battery switch like the one below and mount it near your battery, so you can disconnect the battery whenever the boat is left unattended, to prevent this from ever happening again.


http://www.iboats.com/Mini-Battery-...5187150--**********.432613774--view_id.341004

 

[hotlava007]

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God, everyone should have one of those batt. switches on their boats ....wish i knew about it before, im deff. going to have one of those on my boat and any future boats i may own..thank you for the links u sent me , now i have an idea what and when i will have one again... looks like i will be taking a small holiday from fishn..well at least off the boat..

thank you guys for all your kind help..well appreciated... i will post an update once she all good to go again...ciao


Wendy

 

[smokeonthewater]

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looking on ebay it looks like they can be had new aftermarket for $100 - $150

 

[PSYKO_Inc]

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It appears that when the switch got wet and continuously tried to trim the motor upwards, and you tried to send it downwards, it energized both relays which tried to spin the motor both ways at once. This created a dead short at the brushes inside the motor housing, which smoked the brushes and power wiring. Should be rebuildable with new brushes so long as the windings on the armature are still intact (and presuming replacement brushes are even available), but I'm not sure what the goop in the bottom of the motor housing is...

 

[04fxdwgi]

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It appears that when the switch got wet and continuously tried to trim the motor upwards, and you tried to send it downwards, it energized both relays which tried to spin the motor both ways at once. This created a dead short at the brushes inside the motor housing, which smoked the brushes and power wiring. Should be rebuildable with new brushes so long as the windings on the armature are still intact (and presuming replacement brushes are even available), but I'm not sure what the goop in the bottom of the motor housing is...

I'm not so sure about it being OK..... The varnish on the motor windings looks burnt and when / if moisture gets in there again, the green meanies will grow pretty quick. I think that "goop" is water soaked grease, or used to be, anyway.

I would just bite the bullet and get another motor. By the time it's all over and done with after aquiring new brushes, brush holders, re-insulating windings, replacing the bearings and getting an end plate to replace the BBQ'd one, you would have spent the same $$$$$$, plus a whole lot of time making repairs to a known bad motor. The risk of burning it up again and maybe it being worse of a "fire" is too great.

Those motors are all over the internet for under a hundred fifty. Piece of mind having "new" with a warrenty....

Oh yeah, hats off to a gal that doesn't mind getting dirt under her fingernails, especially a looker. Wish my other half was like that....

 

[Angrywasp]

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Replace the pump. It looks (Pic #2) like the lower end of the motor is corroded away. If your trim is setup like my Yamaha's then that end is directly exposed to the trim fluid which would also mean you should drain/flush your trim fluid out to remove any moisture that may have gotten in through there. However I'm not sure the Mercury trims are the same so maybe someone else here could tell you for sure. I picked one up for my boat from DB electrical on ebay for about $100 and we'll see if it lasts as well as the iboats ones.

 

[hotlava007]

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I'm not so sure about it being OK..... The varnish on the motor windings looks burnt and when / if moisture gets in there again, the green meanies will grow pretty quick. I think that "goop" is water soaked grease, or used to be, anyway.

I would just bite the bullet and get another motor. By the time it's all over and done with after aquiring new brushes, brush holders, re-insulating windings, replacing the bearings and getting an end plate to replace the BBQ'd one, you would have spent the same $$$$$$, plus a whole lot of time making repairs to a known bad motor. The risk of burning it up again and maybe it being worse of a "fire" is too great.

Those motors are all over the internet for under a hundred fifty. Piece of mind having "new" with a warrenty....

Oh yeah, hats off to a gal that doesn't mind getting dirt under her fingernails, especially a looker. Wish my other half was like that....

awwee thanks you, ur so kind
i do get alot of looks at the launches from the boys eheh... jk.. most for how quik i can reverse and drop my boat in, most compliment me on that anyways , but who knows whatelse they mite be looking at...boys boys boys......lol ''i dont mind it either...lmao

I am a menber of a elite bass club in my area, and of course out of 48menbers, i am the only'' Gal'' there:facepalm:, and all the boys are super nice to me and try to be as helpfull as they can be without been perv's..for that i can say that they are a great bunch of guys and never once in the last 4 yrs they have ever made me feel unconfortable...

same can be said for you GUYS here, thank you for everything

And i am going to just replace the motor with a new one....

Wendy