Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not ment to

[rolmops]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Hello Rodbolt.<br />I wish I could.<br />I do know that right now these terror harbouring countries can get away with murder and laugh in our face.By spending a little bit of money in Iraq,they stir up enough trouble to get us stuck,while they can prepare for what is in their eyes bigger and better things.<br />This is completely independent from my opinion about having gone there in the first place.I just know that in order to kill a snake you have to chop off its head,not scratch its scales.Besides, after having spend time in Iraq in the eighties,training the kurds,I have come to believe that they do not deserve our blood being shed for them,mostly because there are far too many potential little Sadams in every group there

 

[Skinnywater]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

2. Put in enough troops to seal all the border areas, clean out the neighborhoods, ban any sort of non-governmental firearms or explosives, and by whatever means necessary get the job done. This may involve reinstituting the draft, but so be it. If it takes a half million men, it takes that many, but man it to get the job done, and do it.

If the President wants to beat the war drums, he better know what war means.

 

[kenimpzoom]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Only an idiot would pull out now. In fact, we will never pull out if I had my way.<br /><br />Did we ever pull out of Germany?<br />Did we ever pull out of Japan?<br /><br />Nope, we are still there and are still giving worldwide stability.<br /><br /><br />Wouldnt it be nice if some of our worldwide buddies would come to Iraq and give us a hand????? Thanks guys, dont come begging when you need help. <br /><br />Ken

 

[Skinnywater]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

My apologys for not staying on topic.

 

[treedancer]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Pull out of course not. In fact we should put some of our troops on the porous borders and secure them from the insurgents that are coming in. Will most likely take a few thousand more troops but we started this war have to finish it.<br /><br /> Best to remember the lies that got us in there at election time.

 

[theriver]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

No question we stay till things are stable. Now that we've whacked the hornets nest we have to deal with the ramifications.<br /><br />The gov't has to come clean to Americans and our allies about all the ongoing controversy as well.

 

[62_Kiwi]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Appease the terrorists like the French? How did it help them? - they ended up with the war inside their own country. <br /><br />Stay with the honourable path that you are already on and finish the job; OR choose the dishonourable path, cut and run and I'm sorry to say that American credibility would then dive to the depth it was after pulling out of Vietnam.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

wow I like the draft idea, but with NO exceptions nor deferments other than medical reasons by an independant army Dr. no family docs allowed.<br /> I wanna see some presidents daughters and senators sons in the trench beside my son and daughter.<br /> no signing up in the air national gaurd to keep from overseas service.<br /> otherwise you will see an incredible increase in basket weaving at the universitiy .<br /> well be a lot like vienam, mostly poor folk getting shot at while the rich folk made the shooting policy back stateside in the AC. I think my cousin Jay refered to them as REM's.<br /> so yep the draft is an option, best start soon. takes a 6month minimum to train a basic infantryman, takes 18 months or so to train a fire control man or artilleryman or even an airframe and powerplant tech.<br /> second draw back to whiz bang weapons is the amount of time to train the operators and maintenence personell. by the time I finneshed getting my 1121 NEC(http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/upd_cd/bupers/nec/nec.pdf page 28)<br /> I had spent about 2 years in various electronics schools and boot camp.<br /> the training pipeline is rather lengthy for todays military personnel.<br /> plus we are still back to the economic cost. this type of war broke the financial back of the USSR. if the US is not careful it will break ours as well. the folks that hold all our deficit notes aint that friendly. the sauds would love it.<br /> but the 6 week war plan with 110,000 troops was ludicrous at best and almost crimminal at worst. to secure a population of 26 million and a border size, surrounded mostly by hostiles, about the size of TX would have taken 250-300 thousand troops at a minimum. <br /> would have also required decently armoured vehicles and some of the other personel gear that was a bit late arriving.<br /> but I dont think staying in that area is really viable. I could not imagine a 3 yr duty station in Iraq knowing people will take random potshots at you inside the base and outside the base your strictly a target. I dont think many others will think much different. much less than a 3 yr rotation and the soldier will be almost ineffective. takes about a year to intergrate with the base and the training.<br /><br /> rolmops<br /> I agree with ya about the Kurds. they will be as bad as the rest. my cousin did some Training with them in the 80's as well as a bit with the taliban and al-quada in the afghan issue.<br /> thats why he is laughing about knowing all the leaders names, we knew them cause we trained them. he also said they had the best training the world has ever known in gurilla tactics and harrasing moves utilizing a small roving force aginst a numerically superior but slower force.<br /> he said it works and to ask the USSR about how well it works.<br /> I just hope the withdrawl is not as bad as the last one we did in siagon.

 

[heycods]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

I dont believe in pulling out .( of corse I have 4 kids from not pulling out.) Stay the course. I just wish we could get most of the insurgents in one town and bomb it into the stone ages. to hell with collateral damage.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

sounds like a super duper great plan, unless you happen to be a collateral.

 

[waterone1@aol.com]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Back in the days when we used to win wars, our country stood united, our press, our government and even hollywood got behind our military. Today, just like vietnam, our press and hollywood do nothing but put down our country and strike fear into americans. <br />Pure, plain and simple, we need to take the handcuffs off of our military and DEFEAT the enemy with an unwavering show of force, that also requires the american people and our elected officials to quit faulting ourselves and achieve the mission. Yes, we need to stay there until the job is done and YES we need to do the job. at this point this is WAR against terrorists, this is not a POLICE action. FIGHT TO WIN !

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

ok<br /> where are they and how do you id them or do ya just nuke them all and let our god or some god sort them out?<br /> the planners of this action are the ones that handcuffed the military.

 

[Limited-Time]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Great input on this thd. Like the idea of keeping at it until the desired out come is obtained. Several posters hit the nail on the head in addressing the urgent need for revised tactics. I'm kind ‘a partial to this response: ...."nuke them all and let our god or some god sort them out?" Worked to end WWII, and SAVED countless lives on BOTH sides. The extremist have their vision of Allah, we have our version of the new age peace maker. Before I get flamed I realize as options are weighed the afore mentioned IS NOT a viable option, and hopefully its never needed.

 

[JB]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

This is frustrating and annoying. . .having two live threads on the same topic. Here is what I said on the other one:<br /><br />I hear and see requests for a time line, a plan, for withdrawal.<br /><br />Is this a plan? "Stay until Iraq can manage her own security". Sounds like a plan to me.<br /><br />Want something more detailed? Yup, the terrorists would really like to hear a more detailed plan. Think we ought to give it to them?<br /><br />I do not recall our government, or any government, EVER publishing war plans for the enemy to read. Think about it.<br /><br />"Everybody hates us." Hogwash. That is what the media would have you believe, because broadcasting that someone or some nation likes us and supports us is not what the media call "news".

 

[lakelivin]

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Re: Should we stay or should we pull out? This may seem a troll, but its not men

Originally posted by Twidget:<br /> CJY, the war against Saddam's regime is over. We are now fighting a different war with the terrorists from Iran, Syria and other countries that dont want a democratic Iraq. It has been documented that the majority of the 'insurgents' are not Iraqi, they are from other nations. Hopefully, the Iraqi's are getting tired of foreigners blowing up their families and will rise up against them.

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1106307,00.html <br /><br />Not necessarily. Read the above Time article detailing what US intellegence has learned about the insurgency. Seems to be mainly initiated by reminants of a secret Baath Party spy service, with foreign terrorists and instigators joining the fray. <br /><br />I read an interview with an Iraqui insurgent leader who stated that getting the Americans out was priority number one. But he stated that after that was accomplilshed, they would need to get the foreign terrorist instigators out of Iraq as well, and acknowledged that would likely be a difficult task. But for now, seems they're taking the position that the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend'.<br /><br />Remember, the majority of the native Iraqui insurgents are Sunis; I'm pretty sure the majority of the Islamic religous terrorists are Shiites.<br /><br />Gonna be a mess over there for a long time I'm afraid.