Should it go faster

gustafsonerik

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Ok i have a 17ft bayliner..i had a 85hp on it so i swapped it out with a 125hp and swap the 85hp's lower unit to the 125... last year with the 85hp on it i was able to go about 28 mphs..now with the 125hp i can get it up to 35mph..shouldn't it go faster??? i thought so
 

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Re: Should it go faster

What RPM are you turning wide open? The 85HP lower end probably has a higher ratio than the 125HP. Depending on what RPM you are turning, you may be able to go to a higher pitch prop for more thrust (= more speed) with the 85HP lower end on a 125HP top end. I think there are a few guys on this forum that have done just that. Maybe they'll chime in. Really need to know what kind of RPM's you're turning to make a determination.
 

Frank Acampora

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Swapping the (85) 2 to 1 lower unit (If it is indeed 2 to 1) in place of a 1.73 to 1 will normally increase speed by 3-5 MPH ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL If you increase pitch by 2 inches.

At any rate, with either engine, your speed seems a bit low and you need to investigate why. Weight? Bottom condition? Height of engine on transom? Trim position? Number of people at speeds quoted? etc.

Back to the swap: That means that if your 125 would go, say, 35 on a boat, if you put a 2 to 1 lower unit on it and increase the prop pitch by 2 (17 to 19 for example) then it will now go approximately 38-40 MPH.

UNDERSTAND though that all hulls are unique and respond differently to horsepower. ALSO understand that as a general rule, it takes four times the horsepower to double the speed.

SO 30% more horsepower is not going to make your boat go 30% faster. Since a deep vee rises higher with increased speed and therefore resistance is less, 10-15 % would be a more reasonable guess. SO if you have gained 7 MPH with the 125 you are actually doing a bit better than would be expected.

As another concrete example, I have a 14 foot flat bottom boat set up to go fast. Not a racing hull, just reinforced to take the power and stripped, with only a battery, gas tank, and one seat.

With a Force 90, this hull tops out a 55 MPH. Increasing the horsepower to 125 just as you did increased my top speed to 60 MPH---Just about what I was hoping for. If I install a power jackplate to take advantage of engine height and the stainless cleaver prop I am running I would expect perhaps another 3-4 MPH.

IF top speed is important to you, Spend a bit of money (It always costs more to go fast) and buy a stainless prop. Stainless by itself should give you around 3 MPH more with no other changes. You do need to use the tach or install one, since in order to go fast, you must go fast. You must prop the engine to turn at least 5,000 and preferably right on 5500 RPM or even a tad more.

At 60 MPH, my 125 is turning a stainless 12 X 21 pitch cupped cleaver at 5900 RPM.

You don't have too much choice in props and you did not tell me the year of your engine. You also diid not tell if the lower is dual exhaust or single exhaust--it does make a difference. Again, however, I would expect your 125 on a 17 foot hull to be quite happy with a cupped stainless 13 X 19 Michigan IF it has the older style single exhaust lower unit. Also, if you have a single exhaust unit and are using the black open hub stock prop, I believe you will do better with an after-market prop, OR a stock closed hub Chrysler/early Force closed hub prop made by Michigan.

If you do some research, you will see that while your choice of props is a bit limited, there are options and other manufacturers.
 

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I did the exact swap you did, from the 85 to 125 hp, with the 85 top speed gps was 31 at 5000 rpm, with the 125 at 5300 was 40.1, with a 15 inch prop on a 1987 17 ft bayliner cuddy. I was going to go up to a 17 pitch to hopefully get a couple of more mph"s but wasnt fortunate enough to get that job done.
 

gustafsonerik

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Re: Should it go faster

my lower unit is a single exhaust will that hurt the 125 power head at all thanks erik
 

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As noted, if you are using the same lower unit and prop, your only speed increase will be from increased RPMs at WOT. For any more, you need to change one or both of these. Is there something wrong with the lower unit that came with the 125?

Chances are, you are over the maximum recommended HP for that hull. I know mine is only rated for 85 HP. Make certain the transom and stringers are in A-1 condition with that additional weight and HP.

And don't get boarded by the Coast Guard. They may shut you down right then and there. You insurance company may not be happy with you, either.
 

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The single exhaust will not hurt anything--Chrysler used them on all three and four cylinder engines from about 1978 and they were in continuous production with only minor changes up until about 1990. Sometime around 1990 Merc changed to a dual exhaust lower in an effort to increase horsepower to actual rated HP and while some modifications were better, (water pump, for example) I personally believe the dual exhaust lower is not quite as well designed as the single.

With the single exhaust lower, you now have the choice of props from stock closed hub Chrysler to new open hub Michigan stainless which perform nicely on these engines. ANYTHING is better than the stock, black, aluminum, semi-cleaver, open hub prop that some Force engines around 1988 came with.--even though that stock prop was made by Michigan.

So, if you know what pitch you want, you can hunt the auctions. Any prop for any 3 or 4 cylinder Chrysler one piece lower unit from 1979 on will fit your 15 splined prop shaft. Any 15 splined Michigan or other brand for the 4 inch Chrysler or Force gearcase will also fit.
 

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As noted, if you are using the same lower unit and prop, your only speed increase will be from increased RPMs at WOT. For any more, you need to change one or both of these. Is there something wrong with the lower unit that came with the 125?

Chances are, you are over the maximum recommended HP for that hull. I know mine is only rated for 85 HP. Make certain the transom and stringers are in A-1 condition with that additional weight and HP.

And don't get boarded by the Coast Guard. They may shut you down right then and there. You insurance company may not be happy with you, either.

Ratings for horsepower that are given by the manufacture for that particular model boat hull and are printed and installed in an obvious location shows what the maximum hp the manufacture can install with that particular hull. However, the rated hp is only the recommended hp that the "end user" should install under "typical" operating conditions. Although, it may not be very wise to install a motor with more hp then the hull has been rated for, it is not illegal to do so.
 

gustafsonerik

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Re: Should it go faster

does anyone have a good link where i can buy this prop at..right now the pitch is a 19 if that helps.. I want to be able to tube this summer so do i go up down or stay the same..send me a link and i'll buy it thanks erik
 

Frank Acampora

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Before you go jumping at a new prop, Like I said before: YOU NEED A TACH. If you have a tach, you need to know wide open RPM. If the RPM is not within range THEN try a different pitch.

Prop selection always involves some degree of guesswork, but without the tach readings you are guessing with no degree of certainty at all: A complete crapshoot! Buying a prop like that is akin to going to Vegas; chances are pretty good that you will lose.

If your RPM is right in the middle or at the top of the RPM range of 4500-5500, then you can stay with what you have. It will do OK for tubing. Tubing does not require the acceleration that water skiing and to a lesser degree wakeboarding does.

If the RPM is at the lower end--4500, then you may want to drop down from the 19 to a 17 pitch prop. This should raise RPM about 400.

If the WOT RPM is significantly higher than 5500, say 5800-6000, then the engine is telling you that it needs an increase in pitch to a 21 pitch prop.

I consider a speedometer--even the best--to be nothing more than a rough guesstimation tool. The tachometer, however, is the most useful tool you will have on board. It will be much more accurate than the speedometer and will tell you with no uncertainty whether any modifications you make are helping or hurting performance. It is used to properly set trim angle for best cruise. It is used to set cruise speed. It will even tell you the effects of different loads and different position of those loads in the hull. If you pay attention to the sound of the engine and the tachometer reading, it can also help you avoid or at least minimise major engine damage. In short, there is no better tool for maximising performance.
 

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Re: Should it go faster

Ratings for horsepower that are given by the manufacture for that particular model boat hull and are printed and installed in an obvious location shows what the maximum hp the manufacture can install with that particular hull. However, the rated hp is only the recommended hp that the "end user" should install under "typical" operating conditions. Although, it may not be very wise to install a motor with more hp then the hull has been rated for, it is not illegal to do so.
I stand corrected:
USCG FAQs

However, it is illegal in some states. The OP need s to check with his insurance company also.
 
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