Should I stay or move? Serious question fellas....

Homerr

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I've been tossing the idea around about moving away from this state for some time now.<br />I've lived here since I has 3 or 4, so it's safe to say this town and state is all I know.<br /><br />My kids are growing up, which makes things tough to deal with in itself. My kids are my life and I don't know what I'd do without them.<br /><br />It's no secret that Oregon and it's economy is in the toilet, and I can't foresee it getting better anytime soon. Would you subject your kids to that? Wouldn't you want to give them opportunity if you could somewhere else?<br /><br />None of my family has ever moved from here. We've all stuck around, worked our lives, and died here. The feeling of being a 'prisoner' of sorts is really getting to me.<br /><br />I have a good job here... One of the better ones if you ask me. However, I have reached the end. I can't (or doubt) I will go any higher at my job other than a pay raise here or there.<br />I've been there 15 years, and I'm only 35.<br />I don't like the thought of retiring there.<br /><br />What really got to me the past few days is that my only and best friend I've known and grew up with is moving from here for good. I'm really upset over that and I don't know how to handle it.<br /><br />I thought strongly of relocating where him and his family went in Washington (Seattle area)<br />Jobs are abundant up there, and I'm sure I can get hired very quickly with my skills.<br /><br />Then there's my parents. They are now in their golden years. Dad is retired, and Mom shortly behind. They've often wanted to move to the coast, but I don't think they will move. I think they stay here because of the kids.<br />I know they would have a longer life if they were to move to a coastal area. The quality of life is just plain better. <br />The place we live now gets 90+ degrees in the summer, and even I can't hardly handle that anymore. My dad can't get 5 feet away from an air conditioner due to his health.<br /><br />So what do you do?<br />Should I take the big step and move my family ?<br />Yes, it will be painful... I'm already thinking of the overwhelming task, and I've spent the last few days depressed thinking about it.<br />Perhaps if I move, my parents will follow?<br />For all our health alone, it would be a wise move.<br /><br />I know my house will sell fast. Most homes in my area sell within 2 months. <br />Speaking of which...is another painful memory. I bought my home from my parents. Something I wish I had never done. Mom still thinks it's 'hers' and as a result, a fight typically erupts between my wife and Mom. A fight I'm done with.<br />I don't want to hear it anymore.<br /><br />On one hand... I feel like I'm running away from my problems. Am I?<br /><br />Sorry for the long post. I had to get things off my chest.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />H.
 

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Re: Should I stay or move? Serious question fellas....

Homer, just a suggestion that may help.<br />You could use the "Benjamin Franklin Balance Sheet" to assist in making the decision. It works like this, "Take a blank sheet of paper and draw a line in the center top to bottom. On the left column at the top put YES and on the right column at the top put No. Involve the bride and kids to brainstorm all the reasons to move and list them under YES. Do the YES reasons until no one can think of any more, then start under the NO column and list all the reasons not to move until no one can think of any more. When you are finished count both columns and the one that has the most reasons listed should be the right decision."
 

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Re: Should I stay or move? Serious question fellas....

Retnav, great idea. I say go. Go to WA or to the Raleigh -Durham area. You have a special freedom in this country, as precious as the freedom to vote; and that is to pick up and leave when things are too suck where you are. And why subject your kids to Oregon, or Calipornia, or Cuba for that matter. Set yourself free....any maybe the folks will follow when they see how much better you have it.
 

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only you can really answer this question Homer...<br />I can tell you my personal similar experience.<br />left a booming job/real estate market and all of<br />my family in cali 7yrs ago and moved to a po-dunk<br />lil' town in upsatae, NY. best thing I ever did!<br />now my kids grow up in an erea where they catch<br />frogs, go fishing, and run around in the woods.<br />most folks don't make much money, but cost of<br />livin and real estate is dirt cheap. the people<br />are down to earth and could care less what kinda<br />car you drive or if my kids are wearing the latest<br />$100 Nike's or designer clothes.<br />we are very, very happy here.<br />good luck,<br />M.Y.
 

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This is a really tough one, Homerr.<br /><br />I am a golden ager who lives 70 to 300 miles from all of my children and their children. We all pretty much live nearby because of the closeness of our clan, but far from where I grew up in NC.<br /><br />But; Texas was first choice for all of us. Whenever any of us consider relocating the idea of surrendering closeness cancels all other considerations.<br /><br />As our children were growing up we relocated regularly, living at times in Hawaii, TN, NC, VA, IL, TX, and MN. It was that experience with very different environments, cultures and communities that led us all eventually back to Texas.<br /><br />Mind you, I am not suggesting that TX would be the place for you. Any long distance relocation for you would introduce culture shock to you and your family. <br /><br />I suggest that you and your family do some traveling to experience the environment and culture in places you might consider for relocation. You may find that the greener grass is on your side of the fence.<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 

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Re: Should I stay or move? Serious question fellas....

Homerr...As long as I have been around this board I have only ever heard you gripe about oregon. This that the other, We all pay taxes of somekind wherever we are. We all have local goverment beuacricies. We all have our grumbles about where we live. Moving aint in and of itself isn't gonna change those things, What we make of where we live is up to each individual. Often times I have listened to your gripes and thought to myself, " It aint where he lives that's the problem it is his mindset". I know this from expierence for 14 years I lived in south Texas and loved it. But when Idecided it was time for a change I couldn't move fast enoufgh. It took me two years to get squared away before I could make the change. For those two years I was miserable, S. Texas hadn't changed...My mindset had. So here is my answer, It is time to change something eather your adress or your mindset. One may change the other or you may have to change both But yes it is time for a change!! Good luck on you decision, whatever it is.
 

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Re: Should I stay or move? Serious question fellas....

Wow Homerr, I'm 35 also, and have been at my current job for 17 years. Errie similarities. ;) <br /><br />Seriously, I live about 10 miles from where I grew up. I know this area as well as anyone. I live on a dead-end road and I have 16 acres of land for my kids to play on. .......and we love it. Even if the kids grew up and moved away, we would stay around here. I'm sure I will die somewhere in this area. Because we have lived in this area for so long, it always seems like home. When we go on vacation, I can't hardly wait to get back home, thats how much we like it around here.<br /><br /> There are certain places I go to hunt or fish, where I have been going since I was a kid, I couldn't imagine not being able to visit these places anymore. Many of my friends have moved away also, but thats ok, at least i'm still able to walk in the woods, or fish in the streams where I did as a kid. To me, thats priceless.<br />Its a great place to grow up, and its a great place to grow old.<br /><br />.........so, I guess what i'm sayin is, from my own personal experience only, I could never leave my "Good Friend", that is Southern Indiana. :) <br /><br />Have to agree that sometimes the grass is greener on your side of the fence.<br /><br />I am not in your shoes though Homerr, so I can't really say. Obviously, only you can decide.<br /><br />One thing I would say though is, I would never, ever, let a job dictate where I live. Not saying that is what you did, I just felt that was worth saying. :) <br /><br />Come on over to Indiana, land is still readily available. ;) <br /><br />Good luck.
 

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Re: Should I stay or move? Serious question fellas....

Well, I will give you my perspective. I have moved around TONS all through my life. The most difficult is when you have teenage kids, especially girls. It is even worse when they are step kids. In fact it's down right in your face degrading remarks.<br /><br />My kids however are cool with it, because it is something they have been use to since they were born. <br /><br />I myself have seen so much from moving around, that it has given me a broader out look on things. I have come to understand other cultures more, especially after many years of reflection. I have seen kids bounch back after a year or so at a new place. So much so that after you mention the thought of moveing, they don't want to leave the place they once hated. One thing that I try to teach my kids, is that the world is much larger than thier own back yard. I don't want them getting tied down to a spouse right after graduation, instead of doing something with their life.<br /><br />I feel that moving around a little helps them to see other things, and realize that the world is full of interesting things and people. The Internet also helps with that as well now. I just thought I would throw that in as well. It also helps you stay in touch with old friends.<br /><br />One really bad move I made was to Calipornia. After the dot com I was working with starting going under, I made tracks back east. I didn't want to get stuck in LA with no job. The step girls don't let me forget that fiasco.<br /><br />I hope this long post has helped some.
 

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Homerr,<br /><br />I moved away from my friends and family for work reasons, great job blah blah thought Id be happy with the extra luxury etc. 7 years later moved back much happier now. I found that friends and family make all the difference its not where you are its just having company that makes you happy. Im 36 and dont quite know what I want to do for a job etc, could this be an age thing? <br /><br /><br />Good luck <br /><br />Chris
 

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Re: Should I stay or move? Serious question fellas....

hommer,, i think you'd be miserable if'n you weren't miserable.. if you know what i mean..
 

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Hommer, I say go for it. You only get one chance in life and you will never know whats out there unless you take some chances. I struggled with the same decision just recently, I live in the same town all my life. I am now 43 and its time to either move on or resign myself to this town that has changed for the worst over the years. <br /><br />I decided to move on. I am now in the very begining process of buying a new place and selling the old. It was not an easy decision but like I said life is to short to sit around and say "I wish I had done this or that"
 

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Re: Should I stay or move? Serious question fellas....

What does your boss say?<br />If its ok with her, then go for it.<br />If its not ok with her, then look for some kind of solution that will make you both a little happier.
 

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I went to a total of 22 diferent schools and went from 10-12th at the same school. From a probally selfish standpoint, I am of the opinion that when a person decides to make a family, that they are set on the area that they are in. I, with nothing left behind, HATED, always being the 'new kid'. Thinking of it all, I have no close friends from my childhood, I always yearned for acceptance, which often times caused me to do things which I regretted. This was just the way that it was. Children need stability, but for economic reasons, the adults must do what is best for the family. I think that in my situation, the convience for the parents outweighed the disadvantages that we endured. This is my HO.
 

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Ok, as a fellow ORYGONIAN, I have thought about the very thing you are contemplating, (for a very short time).<br /><br />I do not live in a big city, and never have here in Oregon, Yes we are governed by the three big towns, Portland, Salem, And the peoples republic of Eugene, but I still cannot think of leaving due to family, and now we have grand kids and there is no way Im leaving them.<br /><br />I have found that when I get the feeling of leaving, I need to stop listening to talk radio for a few days.<br /><br />Lets look at the positive, (there are some).<br /><br />No sales tax, Sure we have high property taxes, but no sales tax. A great plus when it comes time to buy a car or truck.<br /><br />Its a beautiful state. The coast line is one of the prettiest anywhere.<br /><br />I live on the coast, very supressed economically, but a pretty laidback lifestyle also. Bring your own job.<br /><br />Sounds like you are pretty settled, Try not to look at all the liberalism, (if posible). Just pay attention to what effects you personally.<br /><br />Oregon IS actually growing economically, the libs just do not want to let you know about it. The jobless rate here on the coast is lowest that it has been in many years. About the only ones not working are the ones that do not want to.<br /><br />My folks are in there 80s now and I couldnt think about leaving now.<br /><br />When it comes time to retire, you can go anywhere you want.<br /><br />Its easy to get cught up in all the negative, you can do that anywhere. I think that is what you may be doing. Cheer up, be happy, sounds like you have a great family and you are living in the house you grew up in at least for awhile it sounds like.<br /><br /> :)
 

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Re: Should I stay or move? Serious question fellas....

Thanks for the thoughts guys...<br /><br />I'm just so confused right now, I don't know what to do. <br /><br />If I did RetNav's test he suggested, I can come up with a lot more reasons to leave than to stay.<br /><br />The Wife grew up here too about 5 miles from where we live now, but all of her family has left after her Father passed. The kids and I are all she has now, so she's happy wherever we land. One thing is for certain... She doesn't want to be here anymore.<br /><br />I think the Wife would be a bit happier if we wasn't in this house. Think about it... It was never really "hers" since I bought it from my parents. I can see that point of view.<br /><br />I'm more concerned abut the economy and the future for my kids. For example, I did a job search around some smaller towns near Seattle, and it came back with over 2000 job listings.<br />The town I'm in now (Medford) can't hold a candle to that. <br />Unless you are in the medical field, or have significant schooling, you're pretty much out of luck for a decent wage.<br /><br />I can't imagine what my kids are going to need to do to buy a home here. If it wasn't for my parents letting me have this home for what they owed, it's unlikely I would have been able to buy one (or big as one), even with the good jobs the Wife and I have.<br /><br />I considered Washington for a few reasons:<br /><br />1. It's NOT Calipornia<br />2. I have a few friends there.<br />3. The jobs are abundant.<br />4. The Spokane area is right near the coast....<br /><br />The coast is an area I can safely say I'd love to live out my years. I love the Oregon coast, and would move there without hesitation but there are no jobs there. I definitely wouldn't subject the kids to that.<br /><br /><br />Thanks for the help guys....<br /><br /><br />H.
 

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Homerr,<br /><br />
What really got to me the past few days is that my only and best friend I've known and grew up with is moving from here for good. I'm really upset over that and I don't know how to handle it.<br /><br />I thought strongly of relocating where him and his family went in Washington
I would suggest from your post that were it not for the relocation of your friend that your feelings would be nowhere near as strong as what they are. Think carefully my friend, treat the cause and not the symptom.<br /><br />Oh by the way and make sure this is not the start of a midlife crisis. ;) <br /><br />Cheers<br />Andrew
 

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Try New Hampshire Homerr.<br /><br />You've got to love their motto...<br /><br />"Live Free Or Die"
 

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New Hampshire?<br /><br />No way, NH is as bad a CA IMO. Trailertrash state, not all, but most of the people who lives their are morons, too. No job market in NH, thats why everyone who lives their drives to Mass every day to work.<br /><br />In New England,<br />The money and the jobs are in Massachusatts, for more layed back people and better fishing and less traffic, check out Maine.
 

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Yes,<br /><br />I know Andrew.<br /><br />I've known about my friends move for a few years now. And I've also been thinking of getting out of here for much longer than that.<br /><br />I think his moving is just the last straw as it were. Maybe it's a way of telling myself to stop putting it off... I dunno.<br /><br />Mid-life crisis? LOL. Could be I suppose.<br /><br />H.
 

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Re: Should I stay or move? Serious question fellas....

Tough choice Homerr. I moved from Phx, AZ. to Ocala, FL. with no job. I had applications in at the local sheriffs departments and police departments. From long distance, the prospect of getting hired looked pretty good. <br />Then Ilene Wornos(sp) and Danny Rollings blasted thru the area on a killing spree and the local agencies froze their hirings for a year. The budget impact of the major crimes depleted the budget, so they did no hiring for a year or more. <br /><br />Would I move agian with no job, no way....<br />I used up my savings and retirement fund until I got hired back into law enforcement. I worked different jobs, paying from 6.00 to 9.00 bucks an hour. My wife worked 2 jobs. <br />The problem was, we still had our bills from Phx. when we were pulling in almost a 100k a year, this was in 1989.<br /><br />Bad planning on my part me thinks.....<br /><br />Like the other guys say, weight the pros and cons, write them down.<br /><br />Is the house paid off? Cars, credit cards, etc?<br /><br />How many years do you have to go on the mortgage on the house?<br /><br />Is is worth it to start all over again at 35 years old? <br /><br />New mortgage, retirement plan, what about health care?<br /><br />At 35, I would look real hard at what I have now, when do you want to retire and when can you considering the current job and it benefits.<br /><br />From one who's been there.....
 
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