Sheriff Sale Property Auctions

mscher

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Anybody attend them or have purchased realestate property through one? This will be a sale due to foreclosure judgement, not back taxes.

We are looking for a home for MIL and are looking for best cost options. There are a few coming up for sale in our county, anywhere from dumps to really nice ones with $200K judgements.

Certainly the specifics by location vary, but in general, can they be viewed prior to sale?

Also wondering how close they might tend to hit the judgement amount (or exceed), since one dumpy house near me, has a $76K judgement, but the current condition, I would be generous, IMO, to pay $25k.

Also, what about if you have a pre-approved mortage amount, since the Sheriff wants paid the same day the auction ends? Cash will be available, but we like to buy a better house, if the auction price is right.

Just gathering info.
 

bassman284

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I don't know how it is now with the large volume of foreclosures and many of them upside down, but it used to be that the bank would enter a bid for the judgement amount to ensure any buyer would pay at least that amount. May not be practical for them anymore. I don't follow this anymore so I'm just guessing.
 

Fly Rod

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Remember all states have some different rules for auction property. I can only speak here in Mass. Some auctions allow U to inspect the property before an auction and some do not.(buyer beware) Most U are buying "as is." There is always some one from the bank to buy it back if they do not get their price. Buyer here is responsible for back taxes, check the assessors office for any leans or taxes owed. On average here there may be a half dozen buyers at the auction. You need your own monies in a certified check that will go towards your down payment of 20% normally here is between 5,000- 10,000, no bank with buyer having a pre-approval is going to give you money towards deposit. Pre-approval is only a piece of paper stating that they are willing to give you a mortgage if you meet all their criteria, that is why it takes a bank about 30 days to approve a buyer for the mortgage. Then an appraiser hired by buyer's bank will determine the value which has to appraise at or above the offer price.

Around here it is best to let the bank buy it back and they will clear title and all that is owed on the property and then put it up for sale being REO
 

dave11

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Watch out for hidden liens.
 

aspeck

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What Fly Rod said ...
 

Fishing Dude too

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In Ohio min bid is 66 2/3% value, as is leins are cancelled, and taxes paid by bank, or owner. In the county no pre inspection so would take your chances.
 

Bob_VT

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Property for your MIL............. shouldn't you be looking at the 3 hour rule? .......... it should be 3 hours away........... by jet!!!

Here in VT, many auctions require the back taxes etc but you should be able to find out ALL the details prior to the auction.
 

coastalrichard

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A Sheriff's Sale is quite different from a Foreclosure Sale. In the latter, the Clerk of Circuit Court conducts the sale on behalf of the judgement holder (typically the prior lender) to collect as much of the judgement amount as can be had from the sale of the mortgaged property. The prior mortgage is "extinguished" and the lender must use as much of the proceeds of the sale to cure all prior liens (HO dues, taxes, secondary debts, etc. As a result you will get the property "free and clear".

Not so with a Seriff's Sale. This sale results only to collect unpaid property taxes. There are no lien foreclosures on any other liens which may attach to the subject property. You will purchase the property "subject to" any and all other liens which are outstanding (mortgages, HO dues, secondary debts, etc). Further, the "Tax Deed" will not give you a sufficient title with which to dispose of the property (mortgage it, sell it, etc.); you will still have to sue all other parties with an interest in the property to "quiet" the title. Depending on what those interests are, it could be very expensive.

It can be a wonderful way to accumulate real property at rediculously low prices if you know how to do it. Recently purchased a beachfront lot here for a little bit more than $6K and resold it for 100x my investment. Just purchased another lot with a current assessed value of $55k for less than $2k; add in my legal fees for the quiet title suit and I'll have about 10% of the A/V in it.

Bottom line, watch out on Sheriff's Sales, they can bite you!
 

Bigprairie1

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Property for your MIL............. shouldn't you be looking at the 3 hour rule? .......... it should be 3 hours away........... by jet!!!

...Bob, you hit the nail on the head!!!:D:D:D

BP:)
 

StevNimrod

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Tread carefully through the first (and maybe even second) quarter of 2012. There's a lot happening that isn't being communicated to the public - many corporate/commercial real estate deals are perpetually financed, generally for five year terms. The problem as it relates to 2012 is that commercial RE deals that were done in 2007 at 1% or less are coming due this year and from what I've read banks aren't interested in lending these deals at less than 3-4%. There are a lot of these large portfolios that are barely scraping by at 1%, and would be very squarely in the red at 3-4%. This means that the banks will either a) not lend, or b) foreclose the property when it's refinanced and the obligations aren't met. As a bank, you can eat a lot of bad residential mortgages with one commercial deal gone wrong (think of a $50 million deal as relatively small). So, the banks aren't out of the woods yet.

Here's how that relates to residential properties: if you think back to the beginning of the foreclosure crisis, people were going through savings, retirements, etc. to try to meet obligations. Banks did a lot of advertising that appealed to consumer "morals" and convinced people to react emotionally to what is a business transaction. Then consumer's got savvy and started walking away from deals when it became clear that recovery wasn't likely; this way they at least kept savings and retirement funds for feeding the family and so they weren't starting from zero when they became financially stable again. The banks didn't expect that, and got stuck with a lot of properties. Well now the banks are getting savvy and starting to walk away from the deals too, generally by kicking the can down the road at the time of the sheriff's sale. There are a bunch of reasons for this, probably the most compelling being 1) the liability of having property that isn't inhabited (there are a lot of strange legal issues here), and 2) the tax burden. So if you look carefully (at least around here) you can often find properties that both the consumer and bank walked away from. These properties are now the city's problem.

This poses an interesting dilemma. On one hand, it costs a bit of money for a city to raise a house, and once that's done the property is not generating tax revenue (and also lowering the tax revenue from nearby homes that have dropped in value because they're next to a now vacant lot). On the other hand, the city is really only interested in the house to the extent it's there (not causing the neighborhood to look like swiss cheese from all of the demolished homes) and it's generating tax revenue. So, if you know your way around numbers (and a few key financial metrics) and you know your way around people, you can make a compelling case for getting a house for way cheaper than you might think. This mostly happens in more affluent areas too, since these places are generally where property taxes are higher. Then you live to pay taxes, but you can't win 'em all.

Whatever you do, get familiar with two words: due diligence. Find (or have someone find for you) any recorded document for a property in question. Here's how the big boys play: plan to buy a property, find out how many different ways it's "encumbered" (liens, etc.), and find how many of those note holders want to wash their hands of the property. You then try to get people to agree that if the sale goes through they will modify or release their encumbrances. You can sometimes get banks to agree to do some pretty strange things if it's in their best interest to do so. You can also do the same with cities in terms of taxes on properties that have been dormant for a while since it's more profitable in the long run for them to get you paying taxes from today forward, than trying to get someone to agree to a deal with a ton of delinquent taxes on top of those currently due. Most commonly the tax deals take the form of an agreement that you don't have to pay the back taxes, provided you stay current on your taxes for the next X years. Just be careful because you really only want to do this on a property you're almost certain to by if these concessions are made; otherwise they're less likely to negotiate (it costs them a bit of money to research the impact of dropping an encumbrance and they won't keep spending the money on legal fees if you have a record of backing out of potential deals).

It's a lot of reading, and real estate is good for big words, but once you get a head of steam (and consult a lawyer as you see fit) you'd be surprised what you can find.
 
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