sgt Graner

[rodbolt]

is it just me or does anyone else feel that the military is punishing a non-com for publicity? I still feel that heads should roll much higher up the chain. I still feel the enlisted community did not just take it upon themselves to perform some of the acts. I think he was guilty of some,not all. but also he was a scapegoat. anyone else feel the same ?

 

[12Footer]

Re: sgt Graner

If they are doing it for publicity, they got it backwards . But that would be par for the course.<br />I feel the same way, but he should've acted like a soldier when this first got leaked. He should've had a little pride, and stood-up for his own actions, as opposed to blaming them on the chain-of-command.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: sgt Graner

wow they slapped him hard.<br /> but if he was in fact following orders ,even though he knew them to be unlawful, this should continue up the chain. I am not approving nor condeming his or any others actions. I just cant see a bunch of e1-e6 reservists taking this on all on thier own due to boredom.<br />having spent some time in the service and most my family retired as officers we were all trained to follow orders but if we thought an order to be unlawful or dubios to also get it in writing. I am sure the training is still in place.

 

[DJ]

Re: sgt Graner

Calling what was done to those Iraqi prisoners "torture" is ludicrous. <br /><br />Torture is what the Japanese and Vietnamese unleashed during The Bataan Death March and at the Hanoi Hilton. That-was torture.<br /><br />Yes, he is being railroaded, for PC reasons.

 

[Elmer Fudge]

Re: sgt Graner

Probably not torture, but it was surely mistreatment of prisoners which is unlawful.<br />Railroaded? you can bet your last dollar sgt Graner was, the photos were enough to make him one of the fall guys,it stinks

 

[Bob_VT]

Re: sgt Graner

My past military career lasting over 20 years of active duty Army has put me in this frame of mind but I feel that Specialist Graner was flat out railroaded. Basically the media has NO Business being involved with the military or it's judicial actions. (Hear that 60 Minutes whose goal is nothing but ratings)<br /><br />Yes, the man did something wrong (as the pubic views it) however even with my past experiance I do not feel worthy to pass judgement. I will side with a soldier every time regardless of guilt as long as I live. I am more shamed that we acted so harshly against our own.<br /><br />How soon we forget the beginning of the war and what happened to our young female soldier who was a prisoner.... or the heads of dead Americans that were killed.<br /><br />In my opinion Graner is not guilty nor innocent - he is a soldier. If he ever gets this message I want to tell him Thank You Soldier! You did your job.<br /><br />Bob

 

[rolmops]

Re: sgt Graner

Sorry folks.You cannot "embed" journalists in combat units in order to control what they see and write,and then at the same time complain about the fact that they write about what they see.<br />What this soldier did,is a discrace to this country and this flag.No matter how high up heads should fall,this soldier deserves to be punished for shaming his country.

 

[tcube]

Re: sgt Graner

I don't understand why Graner got 10 years for prisoner abuse and Staff Sgt. Alban-Cardenas got 1 year for "murder and conspiracy to commit murder" for the alleged mercy-killing of a severely injured 16 year old Iraqi. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[12Footer]

Re: sgt Graner

Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> Sorry folks.You cannot "embed" journalists in combat units in order to control what they see and write,and then at the same time complain about the fact that they write about what they see.<br />What this soldier did,is a discrace to this country and this flag.No matter how high up heads should fall,this soldier deserves to be punished for shaming his country.

I agree with the "in-bed journalists". My problem is who they are in bed with!<br />To claim this soldier's actions were a disgrace, is to dismiss summarily, the soldier's orders, training,and mission in this war. Don't feel singled-out here, because, even Grainer himself has shown a twisted version of mission objectives!<br />Nobody, including those defending him, are bringing to the forefront, the fact that his actions are to be repeated by his comrads,only not in front of cameras. Worse "attrocities" take place daily in most prisons and big city jails!<br />If you don't believe me, just ask anyone who spent more than overnight in one.<br />The entire media feeding-frenzy has no doubt radically affected our image, and all because of enemy jouralists, just like Dan Rather in Vietnam.Nothing will ever change these people. But if we are to ever be victorious in any war, we best learn how to use or loose these story *****s.

 

[NYMINUTE]

Re: sgt Graner

He should be given a bye, considering the prisoners are that..PRISIONERS! And further more, when did they get RIGHTS? Too bad we are so politically correct, this will do wonders for our all voluntary enlistments.

 

[gaugeguy]

Re: sgt Graner

This guy is taking the fall for some higher ups, no doubt about it. I'm not sure what his rank is (probably E4-E6) and they aren't in charge of anything except burning the crap in the porta-potties. Why isn't the Platoon Commander, Company Commander, etc. on trial?<br /><br />He was just the dummy with his mug in most of the photos.

 

[PatPatterson]

Re: sgt Graner

The military will always handle things internally, when possible. <br /><br />If that becomes impossible, Heads Will Roll, but always from the bottom up. The heads will stop rolling when the display of discipline has satisfied the public. <br /><br />Unless there is no way to avoid it, enlisted men will always take the fall. They will always protect officers as long and as far as they can.