SC CWP law allows CC in restaurant and bars.

[Andysdad]

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To be fair: How many of these gun "related" deaths were self defense vs murder vs hunting accident vs police shooting

That why I excluded other causes - the above figures are for homicide only.

Happy to have UK violent crime figures, not US figures any day.

1% of the adult US population is in jail (which is a quarter of the planet's total number of prisoners) = 2.2 million people: the UK figure is 85000.

Anyhoo, sorry for hijacking the thread. I'll butt out now.

A

 

[DayCruiser]

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That why I excluded other causes - the above figures are for homicide only.

Happy to have UK violent crime figures, not US figures any day.

1% of the adult US population is in jail (which is a quarter of the planet's total number of prisoners) = 2.2 million people: the UK figure is 85000.

Anyhoo, sorry for hijacking the thread. I'll butt out now.

A

Really impossible to defend USA violence but that doesn't stop people from trying. Oh yea we are down from 1 million murders to 999999 ,murders--yeaaaaa! haha. We even call murdering, raping, robbing--- entertainment. Just look at our TV shows. Violence against women, for our entertaining pleasure, is rampant on TV. No wonder many of our children grow up to be serial killers and serial rapist. I am all for gun owner ship and conceal weapons to protect me and my family from this barbaric society. Just that alcohol and guns don't mix IMO. Some countries are trying to block our entertainment and I say good for them!

 

[MTboatguy]

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If you look at the numbers, the crime statistics show that the decrease in gun deaths is quite a bit larger that 1 million to 999999, one of the biggest reasons it seems like far more, is the way they are reported now, there is so much more access to information now a days and the news media outlets are a lot more sensationalistic these days in the way stuff is reported. I don't believe anyone is trying to defend Violence, but making sure the information is correct, no matter the outcome, is important when having a conversation about this subject.

 

[Fleetwin]

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Arizona did the same thing. It just about made CCP useless.

I don't agree with mixing firearms and alcohol.

 

[MTboatguy]

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Just because the law says you can, does not mean the property owner can't say no firearms, the property owner still has the ability to post the property stating firearms are not allowed.

 

[Fleetwin]

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Just because the law says you can, does not mean the property owner can't say no firearms, the property owner still has the ability to post the property stating firearms are not allowed.

They do! No argument.

But, "concealed" becomes an issue.

Who checks?

Bar owner wants to install a metal detector? I don't think that will happen.

Then, the issue only comes into play if there is an incident. Then, the lawyers go after the "deep pockets" which reads-bar owner.

Believe me, I am not one for more regulation but this one seems pretty clear.

Keep alcohol and firearms seperate.

No worries for me. I don't go to bars.

 

[MTboatguy]

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I have been to many bars all over the world and you would be surprised at the number of them that use metal detector wands to make sure people are not carrying. I was. Depending on where you are at in Montana, you would really be surprised how many guns are being carried in bars, I see them all of the time, but yet, bar shootings are pretty much non-existent in Montana.

 

[Fleetwin]

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I have been to many bars all over the world and you would be surprised at the number of them that use metal detector wands to make sure people are not carrying. I was. Depending on where you are at in Montana, you would really be surprised how many guns are being carried in bars, I see them all of the time, but yet, bar shootings are pretty much non-existent in Montana.

Don't disagree. You have an unwritten "code" in that state that says: "Don't mess with me".

Here in AZ, noone is from here. You get a bunch of East Coasters, with new freedoms, and WHOA! Not good. A new gun owner wearing it for "toughness".

We love the "Snowbirds" here but why do they have to be so ugly?

They are RUDE to us residents. Watching them "gather stuff" (especially Canadians) at CostCo is quite entertaining.

 

[MTboatguy]

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I find carrying a gun to be a natural part of my day to day life, 26 years in the military and I can probably count on one hand the times I was not armed, I agree there are some out there that just can't handle their booze and should not be carrying a gun when they are drinking, but in looking at the statistics year to year, I am just not seeing an increase in gun deaths as more people have guns.

 

[DayCruiser]

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One thing is if you are in a bar fight and you are losing, there will be a great temptation to pull out your gun and use it. I bet that guy in Florida just wish he had took a azz beating. Pretty much ruined his life. Crowded bar or even outside, you start shooting and you might hit bystanders. Other gun owners may start shooting thinking they are under attack. I have read many cases where Police officers have suffered Post traumatic Stress syndrome after they killed someone. Even if they are right under the law in doing so. In SC some officers are trying to get the law changed to where they can get disability for PTSD since they are so traumatized they can't go back to work. People get braver when they have a gun. I know I do LOL There is less of a reason to avoid conflict or run from conflict

 

[Bigprairie1]

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They are RUDE to us residents. Watching them "gather stuff" (especially Canadians) at CostCo is quite entertaining.

....I'm curious about this.....any more explanation? (Gather stuff? rude?)

BP

 

[SigSaurP229]

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I don't think the bill was so much passed for people to actually be able to go to bar get wasted and carry while intoxicated which everyone agrees is a very very bad idea. I think the idea or intent of the law is so that I could take my family to Chili's, O'Charley's, Applebees or a million other restaurants that serve alcohol and not have to worry about being arrested because I didn't remove my firearm before eating dinner.

As it stands currently I can't take my firearm with me into Bennett's BBQ because they serve alcohol, doesn't mean that I want to get wasted or even have a drink with my dinner (firm believer that alcohol and guns don't mix), but what about the guy that is Designated Driver, happens to walk into a bar with his buddy wearing a blue crap and someone doesn't like the color of ball cap he is wearing and he and his buddies decide to forcibly remove it?

Just because someone is at a bar doesn't mean they are drinking, if they are and carrying a firearm I beleive it should be an automatic reckless endangerment charge.