Rush , hes right sometimes

[heycods]

No offense Spinner, Passed on as recieved, He does make a good point .<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Love him or loathe him, he nailed this one right on the head.......... <br /><br />By Rush Limbaugh: <br /><br />I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die serving our country in Uniform are profound. No one is really talking about it either, because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well, I can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the <br />entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million. <br /><br /><br />If you are a surviving fa mily member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable. <br /><br />Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt. <br /><br />Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough. Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the the dangers. <br /><br />We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11 fa m ilies are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well. <br /><br />You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad. Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low-rent housing. Make sense? <br /><br />However, our own U.S. Congress voted themselves a raise. Many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month. And most are now equal to being millionaires plus. They did not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system. <br />If some of the military p eople stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, they may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed them in harm's way receives a pension of $15,000 per month. <br /><br />I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting. <br />" When do we finally do something about this?"

 

[treedancer]

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ranks would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting.

I believe this is the first time I can say ditto Rush.

 

[rolmops]

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Between the militairy and 9-11 it is really apples and oranges.After all,the 9-11 victims never signed up and did not willingly put themselves in harm's way.<br />Between the politicians and the GI, that is a very different story. It is the story of the selfish manipulator and the selfless person serving his country.<br />So for once in my life I agree at least partly with Rush.

 

[rodbolt]

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yep<br />blame Bush, blame clinton , blame anyone. in the end vets get the shaft have a nice day.<br /> I showed up at greatlakes as an E-1 dumbares in good health in aug 87, was medically retired with an unknown auto-immune disease that is/was eating my joints and placed on the permmanant retired list in 95.<br /> in the ensueing years most all the doki taris both military and civilian have come to the conclusiion that without any other genetic markers my problems came from vaccinations/innoculations given by the USN.<br /> I tend to agree as I was about 27 when I joined a non smoker and in good health and the job I had the six years before the USN I did random drug screening every 30-90 days.<br />its a shame the VA has denied all my bennies, the navy cuts me a check for 400 a month now.but taxes are due on that.<br /> the VA said ok sue us.<br /><br /> its freaking not worth my time and baby bush has only made it worse. say a prayer for all those that have had catastrophic casualties as they will be forgotten and pushed aside in the good times to follow like all the other times.<br /><br /> Rolmops, I volunteered to put myself in harms way equipped with the fineist equipment the low bidder had to offer.<br />would do it again any day.<br />saddest day of my life,so far, was the day I walked off pier and and saluted DDG-51 goodbye.<br /> the 9/11 thing I can place squaely at Geehaws feets. the FBI field agents had been telling the DC folk that something was coming and it was gonna be 2 part, part one was big and part 2 was it was gonna involve aircraft.<br /> ***** **** moan call me a commie lover terrist lover but it wont change the fact that field agents in the FBI had warned the DC govt as late as august of 01.<br />pissing whining moaning wont change that simple fact.<br />fact<br /> geehaw assumed the watch in jan 01.<br /> fact 9 months later the 9/11 events happened.<br /> in the navy the watchstander takes all the credit or blame if the watch was properly assumed.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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heycods, no offense here.<br />None of my family ever ask for anything from anyone over the 9/11 deal except to find John's body, which they never did. No one ever ask anyone for any money.<br /><br />I feel that he went to work that day and never came back. He was doing his job. Could have been at anyone's job. Did my SIL get money? She said yes and I left it at that. Don't know how much and don't care. It will never bring my only sibling back.<br /><br />Now as far as the military people go, that is different and they get squat for what they do.<br />Their pay sux, their working places sux, and they have people shooting at them and that really sux.

 

[heycods]

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That is why I posted it that way, My agrement was with the way the vets are treated. <br /><br /> Rod bolt I have a step son who is going through the same thing. They are about to take his hand off above the wrist, because the bones are dieing. We think the army fessed up to the cause being 2 rounds of anthrax vaccine that was contaminated that cause random tumors groing all over his body, some of which are on the spine and causing the nerve damage.

 

[rodbolt]

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heycods<br /> its rare I say a prayer publicly, I tend to keep my religion to myself, I hope it does not offend you.<br /><br /> I offer a prayer to my god on behalf of your step son to guide him through these dark and tumultous times. <br /><br />thats about all I can pray for.<br /><br /> sorry if it aint enough.<br /><br />but tell him from one disabled vet to another it aint all bad, fish still bite,quail still flush, wife and kids still love ya, its all good.<br />ya only gotta do what ya gotta do and let someone else do the rest.<br /> ya done your part.<br />tell him I was in VE and my bones hurt so bad they had to carry me on the boat once.<br /> dam if a 14 pound peacock on the line is better than any pills the navy ever gave me.<br /> if he wants he can track the rodbolt posts for the past 3 years and you will see the days I hurt, mostly cause I sit here and type from 3 am.<br />navy retired me, they admited I was not broke until some years after joining, navy doctors never ever once put a name to my problem other than my bones are dissolving.<br /> I joined at 6'2" and 6 years later I was retired at 6 even.<br /> some freaking doki tari in venezuela last december actually pinned the problem.<br /> imagine that.<br /> still have my VA bennies denied, hope you do better.<br />if ya rely on the gubbermint that sent ya to war with a promise I guarauntee they lied.<br /> rely on yopurself and tell the gubbermint to pee to the windward and life will improve.<br /> whats funny is now even the navy dokis agree that sometghing in the "vaccinations" triggered my problems yet the US govt, read baby bush and cheney, wont recognize it eithyer.\<br /> but I guess as they have totally secured themselves finacially whats a few thousand troops one way or another

 

[heycods]

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Thanks a bunch Rodbolt, Passed onto him.

 

[BassMan283]

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Well, I guess I'm one of the loathers. I view anything Rush says with suspicion since it usually consists of a little bit of truth mixed with a lot of BS. That said, I don't know a whole lot about compensation for surviviors of 9/11 victims. What little I know sounds excessive. Sure it was traumatic for them, but a lot of people lose relatives in traumatic circumstances. Last Sunday just up the road two 18 year old girls were beaten with a hammer and stabbed to death by a "friend" of theirs. I imagine that was fairly traumatic for their families. Should the government send them some money? How much?<br /><br />The other item mentioned in the thread starter was pensions for congressman. Don't know if you got that from Rush, but it's not quite accurate. The link below has everything you'd ever want to know about congressional pensions. <br /><br />Highlights:<br /><br />Congressmen must have 5 years of service to qualify for a pension at age 62. The minimum pension is 8.5% of the average of their highest 3 annual salaries. Based on this, a one term Senator would get about $15,000 per YEAR, not per month. A one term Rep gets nothing.<br /><br />The max pension is 80% of the highest salary which would currently mean a maximum pension of about $11,000 a month. To get this they would need about 66 years of service in congress.<br /><br />Congressional Pensions

 

[BassMan283]

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More relevant links. The stuff about congressional pensions was not part of Rush's monologue but was added later to the e-mail, I guess to make it more interesting.<br /><br />Rush's rant <br /><br /> Stuff added to Rush's monologue

 

[imported_Curmudgeon]

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pissing whining moaning wont change that simple fact.<br /><br />Not picking a fight, but since you place blame squarely at the feet of GW, what would you have done to prevent 9-11 (be specific, now, since your charge is specific)? It's easy to afix blame retroactively, another thing altogether to pinpoint what should have been done. The media is full of pundants who know who to blame for every problem or adverse event, but devoid of those who know what should have been done but wasn't.

 

[rodbolt]

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had the FBI washington office and the CIA,both agencies knew something was up involving aircraft, heeded the call of some of the intel and field agents the security may have been in place to avoid some or all of it.<br /> its not the first attempt to hijack an aircraft and fly it into the white house or other building.<br /> so yep while its not W's "fault" it happened on his watch with his team and he has to take the responsibility for any success or failures.<br /> seems it was a big security/intel failure.<br /> read the investigation and results of the USS Sanfrancisco accident.<br />was it the captains fault?<br /> who paid the price ?<br />its the same issue

 

[demsvmejm]

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It is truly pathetic how the military personnel are treated. Not only during active duty, being required to serve in dangerous environments without proper equipment. But also after discharge, retirement, injury or death. My brother served twice, is now diabled from a non-service related injury, and the VA seems to treat him well, very well it seems. However, I know of people, and read news articles of others who are not. If we can't see fit to treat these people, who have sacrificed to make this country as great as it is, well why should we expect anyone to volunteer? Is this why military enlistment is reportedly below the needed level? <br /><br />Or has enlistment increased since the last report I saw?<br /><br /><br />As for congressional compensation, we the people need to stage a coup. We need to vote all the "Ins" out and all the "Outs" in, with very few exceptions. But try getting this selfish, all-for-me-to-heck-with-you society to do anything for the other guy, even if it will benefit themselves.

 

[JB]

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That really bugs me.

 

[ufm82]

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rodbolt- you're making assumptions and placing blame based on false info. You say that the FBI and the CIA should have heeded warnings from its field agents. It was made IMPOSSIBLE to do so by the Clinton Admin and Gorelick. You've heard the term "The Wall" on the radio I'll assume? No authority could share info with anyone. Databases were closed, investigations were cut-off and underfunding was a severe problem. Ever wonder where part of that "surplus" Clinton projected came from?<br /><br /> So before you blame Bush for something that was years in the planning, maybe you need to look at the conditions he was operating under in '01. He didn't even have a Cabinet until March for crying out loud. The Democrats were still blathering about the election yet again. <br /><br />UFM82

 

[rodbolt]

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ohhhh so its all clintons fault even though according to both the CIA and the FBI, both of which can bend the presidents ear at any time without sharing info, and according to the reports to congress both knew something big big was up and both knew it involved airplanes.<br /> like I said, if I assumed the watch yet did not catch the lock on the 5" mag had been tampered with on the previous watch and a terrorist gets in the mag I fry for it as inspecting the lock is part of the assumption of the watch inspection and once an hour thereafter.<br /> I was in under Bush Sr and clinton, clinton did not gut as much as ya think. I did not care much for that liar either.<br /> I am not blaming Bush, however I am holding him responsible.<br />you can delegate authority but not responsibility.

 

[imported_Curmudgeon]

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.. the security may have been in place to avoid some or all of it.<br /><br />As an airline pilot on 9-11, I can tell you know little about airport/aircraft/flight security. Not an adverse reflection on you (most critics actually know anything of substance), but very indicative of Monday morning "should, woulda, coulda".<br /><br />I was in under Bush Sr and clinton, clinton did not gut as much as ya think.<br /><br />Well, I was finishing up a career under Bush '42. Maybe you didn't see it, but it's a fact that Clinton gutted wherever he could and his disdain for the military was in evidence from day one of his reign. The only democrat I know that inflicted worse damage to the country/military was Carter (followed by Truman).<br />There's plenty of criticism to go around, and the premise of "the buck stops here" in this complex world is bovine fecal matter.<br /><br />PS: Under your premise, the fault for the San Francisco must have been with Truman. He was the Commander in Chief, after all, so he must have been responsible for all military activity.<br /><br />PSS: The Captain is the final authority on the bridge (or cockpit). Had he been zig-zagging, his ship may or may not have been sunk (that will never be known). But the fact that he was not was his sole responsibility. A sad fact, to be sure, but it comes with pinning on the rank and assuming the responsibility.

 

[rodbolt]

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your confusing possibly the USS Indiannapolis with the USS (SSN711) SanFrancisco, Truman was long passed to the great beyond when that sub whacked an undesea mountain, in fact we can blame clinton for that too even if it happened on W's watch.<br /> in 01 airport security at most airports in the US was rather lax. it still is according to the testing run by the TSA a month or so ago.<br /> but yes the captain of the vessal has the ultimate responsibility for any success or failures of the vessal.<br /> sometimes its not fair but it is what it is.<br />capt Mcvay,in my opinion, was rail;roaded. lots of people died and the public and the media wanted blood, someone got knee jerked and feed to the sharks,again.<br /> sound familiar?<br /> so far most the stuff that has happened for airport and border security looks to be knee jerking.<br /> I dont agree with a lot of things that happen but I only get a chance to vote on it every 4 years.<br /> actually I have been an advocate of armored cockpit doors and armed pilots for 20 some odd years just due to the fact in running various security drills/exercises about a hijacked aircraft flying into a target was a regular drill in the 80's and 90's.<br /> what we found was by the time you realize on the ground what happened in the air the plane is most likly on the ground.<br /> but according to Condeleeza in a speech in oct 01 no one in the administration had ever dreamed an airplane could be a weapon. even though in the late 70's an idiot tried to hijack a jet liner at DCA and fly it into the white house. he even left a tape explaining what and how he was gonna do it.<br /> my specialty was not aircraft security it was ship,pier and facilities.<br /> but I understand the concepts.<br />could ya imagine a couple wingjobs with RPG's in the trunk taking potshots at landing/takeoff aircraft at say newark or kennedy?<br /> will it happen again? most likly by some nut or group of nuts.<br /> about the main thing we found about someone that wishs to die and take others with them is your not in the area when he does.<br /> its incredibly difficult to stop, especially if its just 1 or 2 persons involved.<br /> all we can do is continue to pray that most nut jobs have no real immagination.

 

[20/20]

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Originally posted by heycods:<br />I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting. <br />" When do we finally do something about this?"

I'd like to see ole big mouth Rushy do the same

 

[PW2]

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Rush has come to the startling conclusion that the world is not always a fair place.<br /><br />Amazing.