rodent infestation

[flashback]

Didn't realize grey squirrels eat meat too. Have one chewing on a deer leg....

Very true and they're not above munching on baby birds either.

 

[tphoyt]

I once watched a crow eat a baby bird alive. It was sad to see but it’s the cycle of life.

 

[Mc Tool]

I once watched a crow eat a baby bird alive. It was sad to see but it’s the cycle of life.

I saw on tv a Baboon ripping the liver out of a still squealing antelope Calf/fawn .....cycle of life as you say but I really didnt like that at all ,couldnt get that out of my mind for days

 

[FLATHEAD]

I saw on tv a Baboon ripping the liver out of a still squealing antelope Calf/fawn .....cycle of life as you say but I really didnt like that at all ,couldnt get that out of my mind for days

Nature is cruel.

 

[cyclops222]

They DO ATTACK all bird nests. EAt eggs and babies. Watched them.

 

[Jeff J]

In regards to .22 range and/or damage possibilities… back in the late 1990’s, I had a friend draw jury duty on a murder case. A woman had been shot in the head while boating. A couple of young men had been target shooting in the direction of the river using a thicket as a backstop. The jury was taken to the location during the trial and my buddy said you couldn’t even see the river from where they were shooting but ballistics confirmed one of their rifles was the murder weapon and they had admitted to being out there at the time the woman was shot. A very sad accident and a young man went to prison for it.

That accident changed the way I think about firearm safety.

 

[dingbat]

In regards to .22 range and/or damage possibilities… back in the late 1990’s, I had a friend draw jury duty on a murder case. A woman had been shot in the head while boating. A couple of young men had been target shooting in the direction of the river using a thicket as a backstop. The jury was taken to the location during the trial and my buddy said you couldn’t even see the river from where they were shooting but ballistics confirmed one of their rifles was the murder weapon and they had admitted to being out there at the time the woman was shot. A very sad accident and a young man went to prison for it.

Murder?
Murder requires intent
Manslaughter would be more likely

 

[DeepCMark58A]

My neighbors are leaving for a couple of months, time to do some culling of squirrels.

 

[airshot]

In regards to .22 range and/or damage possibilities… back in the late 1990’s, I had a friend draw jury duty on a murder case. A woman had been shot in the head while boating. A couple of young men had been target shooting in the direction of the river using a thicket as a backstop. The jury was taken to the location during the trial and my buddy said you couldn’t even see the river from where they were shooting but ballistics confirmed one of their rifles was the murder weapon and they had admitted to being out there at the time the woman was shot. A very sad accident and a young man went to prison for it.

That accident changed the way I think about firearm safety.

Back in the late 90's we bought our property to build on. There were only three other homes in the immediate area with large spans of land between. Our property was 1320' deep, so I walked out back to survey the land. There was some shooting off in the distance, sounded to be way off. Before long a bullet wizzed passed my head, could actually feel the air off it. Figured out where it came from by the sound. Approached the homeowner and found out he let his two young sons ( 13 &14) were outback shooting .22's in any direction, no supervision because they didn't think anyone would be out there ! Needless to say, I met our Sheriff and introduced him to our neighbors....m

 

[Jeff J]

Murder?
Murder requires intent
Manslaughter would be more likely

I think that was the finding of the jury. As I recall the prosecutor was pushing for first degree murder but didn’t get it. I’m not up to speed on how these things work but I know Ted felt bad that the guy went to jail for the accident.

 

[tphoyt]

I discovered tonight I have some bats to deal with. I guess I’ll be getting one of those a oneway doors. This will be first.

 

[FLATHEAD]

Back in the late 90's we bought our property to build on. There were only three other homes in the immediate area with large spans of land between. Our property was 1320' deep, so I walked out back to survey the land. There was some shooting off in the distance, sounded to be way off. Before long a bullet wizzed passed my head, could actually feel the air off it. Figured out where it came from by the sound. Approached the homeowner and found out he let his two young sons ( 13 &14) were outback shooting .22's in any direction, no supervision because they didn't think anyone would be out there ! Needless to say, I met our Sheriff and introduced him to our neighbors....m

Nothing more scary than the sound of lead whizzing past you. Long story short. About 15 years ago my son and I had some nut shooting at our goose decoys with a rifle from an abandoned house about 200 yards away. Totally illegal on several levels. Whoever it was didn’t know we were tucked in the hedge row. The bullets whizzed right between our heads, I could feel the air one was so close.

 

[Grub54891]

neighbor was cleaning his gutters, out in the country. Suddenly right next to his head bang! A bullet hit the gutter. That side of his house was away from any neighbors by a couple miles. Never heard any gunshots and never figured out where it came from. Don’t know the caliber.

 

[jlh3rd]

manslaughter - exactly
firearm safety...rethink?
naw, it just needs to be taught and adhered to.
I feel sorry for the lady/family.
Operating a firearm involves knowledgable responsibility. It's not a toy.

I think that was the finding of the jury. As I recall the prosecutor was pushing for first degree murder but didn’t get it. I’m not up to speed on how these things work but I know Ted felt bad that the guy went to jail for the accident.

what about the woman who was killed?
Did this "Ted" feel bad about her and her family?
It wasn't an accident.
When someone ignores or is ignorant of basic firearm responsibility, it's not an accident.
Heck, the daisy BB gun I got when I was 10 (62 years ago) came with the rules. I read and learned them all.
They still do.

 

[dingbat]

I think that was the finding of the jury. As I recall the prosecutor was pushing for first degree murder but didn’t get it. I’m not up to speed on how these things work but I know Ted felt bad that the guy went to jail for the accident.

First degree murder requires malice and premeditation.
How does one premeditate an “accident”?

Something else going on or an over jealous prosecutor over charging the case for effect.

Involuntary manslaughter - killing that results from a reckless or grossly negligent act.

 

[Jeff J]

manslaughter - exactly
firearm safety...rethink?
naw, it just needs to be taught and adhered to.
I feel sorry for the lady/family.
Operating a firearm involves knowledgable responsibility. It's not a toy.

what about the woman who was killed?
Did this "Ted" feel bad about her and her family?
It wasn't an accident.
When someone ignores or is ignorant of basic firearm responsibility, it's not an accident.
Heck, the daisy BB gun I got when I was 10 (62 years ago) came with the rules. I read and learned them all.
They still do.

I guess you didn’t read the initial post about the shooting location. You know, the thicket that couldn’t be seen through. It wasn’t a one time random choice to shoot there. A lot of people used that spot to plink for a long time. It was a tragic accident.

Before that case I would hunt deer using a rifle on level ground. Now I only shoot from an elevated position unless there is an exposed berm or hillside behind the animal where I can ensure what’s behind the target. Nor do I shoot downhill if I can’t see the bottom. Simply not being able to see through the background is not good enough.

It makes me wonder about the formal range where I grew up. No berms. Just shoot into a stand of trees facing a popular section of river. At least that is what it was back in the late 70s when I took hunters safety. I have not been in there since then and the club isn’t visible from the highway. I don’t know what they do for classes today. Back then we reloaded a few shot shells and used them on clay pigeons at the end of the course.

 

[FLATHEAD]

I guess you didn’t read the initial post about the shooting location. You know, the thicket that couldn’t be seen through. It wasn’t a one time random choice to shoot there. A lot of people used that spot to plink for a long time. It was a tragic accident.

Before that case I would hunt deer using a rifle on level ground. Now I only shoot from an elevated position unless there is an exposed berm or hillside behind the animal where I can ensure what’s behind the target. Nor do I shoot downhill if I can’t see the bottom. Simply not being able to see through the background is not good enough.

It makes me wonder about the formal range where I grew up. No berms. Just shoot into a stand of trees facing a popular section of river. At least that is what it was back in the late 70s when I took hunters safety. I have not been in there since then and the club isn’t visible from the highway. I don’t know what they do for classes today. Back then we reloaded a few shot shells and used them on clay pigeons at the end of the course.

I used to belong to a club that had the rifle range backstop up against a steep hillside about 30 feet high. Directly at the top of the bank is a public road. No idea how they ever got permission for that set up. As far as I know they are still using it. I never shot on it. They had a nice archery 3D course I used.