Replacing lower seal kit 1968 evinrude fastwin 18 hp

james__12345

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Re: Replacing lower seal kit 1968 evinrude fastwin 18 hp

The pictures of the open gear case are going to help me. I need to open my 1958 10hp Evinrude in order to put the pinion gear key back in. What does the end of your drive shaft look like? Splined or a key? I wish mine was splined!

The ends of the drive shaft are splined. The prop shaft has a pin to hold the prop.
 

Milemaker13

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Thanks for the drawing link. My motor is actually # 10016, but they are very similar. The drawings show a key on the driveshaft in the pinion gear. I'm sure it is a key because it seems to have fallen off. That's why I need to open 'er up. Its just nerve racking to crack it open without the actual pics. Thanks James!
 

james__12345

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I'll finish this thread as soon as I can, but I'm still waiting on my scotchgrip 847 to seal it back together with. The local boat shop I had order the 847 for me, keeps trying to tell me what I need is the brush on gasket sealer, which is clearly not what the service manual says to use around the spaghetti seal . I'm not sure if they actually don't know any better, or if they're trying to mess me up so I end up having to bring the motor to them for service, but I know I will NEVER trust them to work on anything for me now either way.

I know what you mean about it being nerve racking to open it up with out these pictures, I dealt with the same thing when I started this project. I decided that since the shop had wanted 80 bucks just for the labor to put the impeller in, I really didnt want to have to pay what they would charge for the seal kit. I also knew that worst case if I couldn't figure it out, I could post some pictures of what was giving me trouble on here, and someone would be able to help. Clearly, I don't have it all put back together and tested yet, but so far it hasn't really been very hard at all.
 

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OK, so you are saying you ordered the 847 that is a thicker viscosity vs, the thinner viscosity that says it can be brushed or sprayed? I am having a difficult time deciding what to buy. I see that scotch grip and scotch weld is the same, they just changed the name. But I also read that there is 847L and 847H... Low and High viscosity.

I imagine 847L would be like contact cement consistency where as 847H would be more like RTV silicone consistency.

What did they charge you? I see on ebay I can order a quart can for like $25 delivered. Looks like the stuff goes for almost $25 for a 5oz tube. Only thing is that it says scotch grip on the can, and its probably the thin stuff.
 

james__12345

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OK, so you are saying you ordered the 847 that is a thicker viscosity vs, the thinner viscosity that says it can be brushed or sprayed? I am having a difficult time deciding what to buy. I see that scotch grip and scotch weld is the same, they just changed the name. But I also read that there is 847L and 847H... Low and High viscosity.

I imagine 847L would be like contact cement consistency where as 847H would be more like RTV silicone consistency.

What did they charge you? I see on ebay I can order a quart can for like $25 delivered. Looks like the stuff goes for almost $25 for a 5oz tube. Only thing is that it says scotch grip on the can, and its probably the thin stuff.

What I ordered is supposed to be the 5 oz squeeze tube. From what I understand it should be like RTV silicone. I was in town Friday taking care of some other stuff, and since I was only about a quarter mile from their place, I stopped in to see if it had came yet. While I was in there they took me in the back and showed me the stuff they had tried to convince me on the phone that I needed, and kept trying to convince me it was what I needed. It was in a can like pvc glue, and had about the same consistency. It was in a black can and I didn't see a name on it because it had some type of shipping label stuck on it, but I didn't see anything about the 847 on it. They did have one of the 5 oz tubes of 847 laying there, and when I saw it I pointed it out and said that was what I needed according to the service manual and was what they were supposed to have ordered for me. They kept saying it wasn't for gaskets, it was for metal to metal joints, which I pointed out to them was exactly what the skeg going on to the lower was since the spaghetti seal doesn't cover the whole surface. They also kept trying to tell me I should just use some permatex or something else cheaper and not worry about getting the scotch grip, which seemed very strange to me since they are suppose to have already ordered it for me. They kept talking about it being so expensive and how I only needed a little bit of it and I said that I know I just need a little of it on that joint, and a little under the impeller plate,but I still wanted to use the factory suggested product. Then they started in on needing that other brush on stuff on the gasket under the impeller plate, so I pointed out to them that this motor doesn't have a gasket there, that it is a metal to metal contact between the plate and the lower, so I need the scotch grip there too according to the factory service manual. I finally just told them that despite all of their suggestions, I wanted to stick with what the service manual said to use and that I needed to get going.

As far as price they told me on the phone when I ordered it that it would be like 17 or 18 dollars, I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was cheaper than the 25 I found it for online.
 

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I checked Grainger. One location on my way home from work has the 5 oz tube in stock for $20. I'm going to stop tomorrow and pick it up. I don't under stand your boat store... Seems like they ordered the wrong stuff for themselves and are trying to pass it on to you. Since YOUR tube of 847 is sitting right there, why not sell it to you? Bone heads. Why do they have it in stock if it is so very unnessesary? LOL, I bet they were slapping their foreheads after you left for not having hidden it before bringing you in back! LOL, dummies...
 

james__12345

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No, the tube I saw was an old tube that had been around the shop for a while and had already had quite a bit of it used, it wasn't the one they ordered for me. The can of the other stuff they were showing me was also an old can they had already been using around the shop. The first can of it the guy tried to show me was old and had hardened in the can, so he asked the other guy where the newer can of it was, and showed me that one. They clearly use both products in the shop, which makes me wonder why they don't stock some of it, but anyway, we'll see soon enough. They told me earlier in the week they thought it would be there by Friday, but when I checked in Saturday it still wasn't there. Hopefully it will come in tomorrow so I can get this thing put back together.
 

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I finally got the scotchgrip in (I think it actually said scotch weld, but I dont remember now, I'll post a picture of the tube later) and got everything put back together. The stuff I got was pretty thin, not at all like silicone, but after testing the motor out for quite a while in a barrel, it seems to work fine. I lost the memory card adapter for my computer, and I'm out of town for the week, but I'm going to go ahead and finish this up as best I can, and I'll come back and add the pictures when I get back and find the adapter.

To start back where I left off, with the shift rod bushing, the method I posted is for motors where the o ring is inside the bushing, not for the style where the o ring goes under the bushing. You have to be careful on those to not mash the o ring out too flat by over driving the bushing. Anyway, on to the rest of the reassembly. At this point, I did some more cleaning on the shift rod because it had a thick crust of what I assume is mainly carbon from the exhaust on it. I used seafoam on a scotchbrite pad. I also cleaned the joining surfaces of the skeg and lower with some acetone to remove all the old scotchgrip. Before putting the prop shaft and all the gears and all back into the skeg, I went ahead and cut the spaghetti seal, following the directions here http://forums.iboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=191920&d=1367444822 When trimming the seal, I actually took it out of the groove, and laid it on a flat surface, and made the cut with a razor blade, to be sure it was square and flat on the edge. When determining the length be sure it stays pushed against the outer edge of the groove, and cut it so that it is 1/16th of an inch longer that the groove on each side. One of the other links posted by hightrim suggeted 1/32 of an inch on each side, and that might be better, because I had a rather hard time getting the seal to lay in the groove and not buckle and pop out on final assembly. After getting the seal cut to the proper length, lay it aside and get the prop shaft and gears put back into the skeg.

If at any point while the prop shaft was out of the skeg, the clutch dog slides too far on the shaft, there might be a ball bearing or two pop out. If you run into that, just stick it back in to the hole in the shaft under the clutch dog (one on each side, with a spring in the middle) and slide the clutch dog back over them to lock them in. There is a vertical groove on the inside of the clutch dog cut into the splines. That groove needs to line up with the ball bearings, because that helps lock the clutch dog into neutral. As long as you're careful you shouldn't have to worry about any of that though.

Slide the gearcase head assembly back on to the prop shaft and set the entire assembly back into the skeg. The cradle (the c shaped piece that sits on the shifter lever fits into the groove on the clutch dog. Also, be sure the hole in the side of the gearcase head is pointing straight up so that it lines up with the pin sticking down out of the upper part of the lower unit.
 

Milemaker13

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Re: Replacing lower seal kit 1968 evinrude fastwin 18 hp

Hi James,
I just got my 10hp back together too. Haven't had time to test it yet. That scotch grip is some crazy stuff!
I noticed a hole in the shaft, figured it was for lubrication. But you mentioned it having detent balls and a spring. Mine did not. It makes sense to help it stay in neutral. I want to do some more reading to be sure my particular unit needs them. If so, I'll have to contact the guy that sold me the unit for the parts. Seems like there is not enough time in the day.
 
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