regular or super unleaded

regular or super unleaded

  • regular

    Votes: 65 52.0%
  • mid grade

    Votes: 30 24.0%
  • super

    Votes: 30 24.0%

  • Total voters
    125
  • Poll closed .

dubs283

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Re: regular or super unleaded

Don't always assume that because the retail gas station "says" you're getting NON-oxygenated fuel that you're actually getting it! It may still contain ethanol!

in the great state i live in, if the retailer has marked the pump as non-oxy, it better not have any alcohol in it - its illegal to add alcohol to non-oxy gas for sale

it is also illegal to put non-oxy gas in vehicles that are not collectors or eligible to be colllectors

the ethanol biz is highly subsidized here and e-85 is roughly 50 cents cheaper per gallon while non-oxy is usually 30 cents more per gallon (than regular unleaded - which could have up to 30% ethanol)
 

LazyCruiser

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Re: regular or super unleaded

But wouldn't it be better to use a minimal amount, stabil-treated gas thruout the winter so that in spring you can fill 'er up with nice, fresh gas?

Otherwise, some folks will be using old winter gas almost to the 4th of July?
 
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paultjohnson

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Re: regular or super unleaded

I have had great luck w non oxygenated premium Especially for winter storage. I have an 86 boat and a 77 Olds Gutlass that gets stored every winter. I am fortunate to have a gas station 5 minutes from my house that sells it. I have never had a fuel system problem in either engine. Neither carb has ever been off or apart. As a matter of FACT. Due to financial headaches [ divorce and job loss ] Both vehicles [is a boat a vehicle ?] had to sit unused for 3 full years. Yes, fuel was 3 yrs old. This spring I started the car and drove it home. It cranked about 20 secs total, then I gave er' a shot of starting fluid... fired up.
Then the boat came home. Boat was stored w about 1/4 tank. Filled it up w fresh Non Ox Prem. Went to start it. Pushed the throttle into WOT position to set choke. Pumped it 2 more times Fired in about 5 seconds. 3 or 4 more pumps on throttle, cranked it a couple more times and it was running. :D I always put STABIL and FRESH Non-Ox premium in the tank for storage. And I always fog the engines. I BELIEVE in storing vehicles with metal tanks FULL to avoid condensation and rust. In my boat and sno-mo's, with plastic tanks ,I store with less then 1/4 tank and fill with fresh before the 1st start when putting back into service.
After running a 3 or 4 tanks tanks thru the boat, [ 1 with Sea Foam]I pulled the carb and fuel pump filter. 1st time in 10 plus year's! They were near spotless. I have more dirt in my belly button, Ya know- a wad about the size of a walnut:eek: Just kiddn ! If I could have collected ALL the sediment from both filters and rolled em into a little ball. It would have been smaller then a BB. The boat runs great, no bog or hesitation. Starts right up. Good on fuel use, exhaust smells clean, no backfires, no dieseling, The boat gets anywhere from about 30-150 hrs a season. Excluding the last 3 of course. I guess i am lucky:):D Thats what has worked for me and I plan on continuing that routine. Compression on boat this summer 180 lbs on 5 cyls [give or take only 2 lbs ! ] 170 on the 6th.
Havnt driven the car much this summer . %@$#*&^% mice got into it in storage and chewed up and stunk up the interior, possible winter project.
So thats my 1 1/2 cents worth. For your consideration :D:D:
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: regular or super unleaded

in the great state i live in, if the retailer has marked the pump as non-oxy, it better not have any alcohol in it - its illegal to add alcohol to non-oxy gas for sale

it is also illegal to put non-oxy gas in vehicles that are not collectors or eligible to be colllectors
It's also illegal to exceed the speed on the freeway too isn't it?:rolleyes:


But wouldn't it be better to use a minimal amount, stabil-treated gas thruout the winter so that in spring you can fill 'er up with nice, fresh gas?

Otherwise, some folks will be using old winter gas almost to the 4th of July?


I ALWAYS store my boat (in a dry garage) with as little gas in it as possible. (no Stabil, Seafoam, or other snake juice etc...)

I then fill it up when I'm ready to use it...
 

bruceb58

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Re: regular or super unleaded

Then the boat came home. Boat was stored w about 1/4 tank. Filled it up w fresh Non Ox Prem. Went to start it. Pushed the throttle into WOT position to set choke. Pumped it 2 more times Fired in about 5 seconds. 3 or 4 more pumps on throttle, cranked it a couple more times and it was running.
Of course you realize the gas that you started on was still the old gas that was in the lines and fuel filter and had nothing to do with any of the new gas you put in the tank.
 

Outsider

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Re: regular or super unleaded

than regular unleaded - which could have up to 30% ethanol

Max ethanol for US fuels is 10%. There is a move afoot by the ethanol refiners to get EPA to raise that to 15% ... :rolleyes:
 

paultjohnson

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Re: regular or super unleaded

To Bruce 58 Forgot to hit QUOTE Of course !;) Whatchya think? 3-5 min before the new fuel makes it to the combustion chamber ? Approx 4 ft of hose, fuel pump and carb... at about 800 rpm... prob 3 min, maybe huh ??? just guessn:D
 

bruceb58

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Re: regular or super unleaded

To Bruce 58 Forgot to hit QUOTE Of course !;) Whatchya think? 3-5 min before the new fuel makes it to the combustion chamber ? Approx 4 ft of hose, fuel pump and carb... at about 800 rpm... prob 3 min, maybe huh ??? just guessn:D
Sounds about right! My point was that the boat started just fine with that old gas in the lines and had nothing to do with the new gas in the tank.

I actually would have probably drained all that old gas and put in fresh and that would have included draining the lines.
 

FlyinGuy1017

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Re: regular or super unleaded

Yeah, it is "hearsay"


Aviation gasoline for example, has ALWAYS been made with an RVP (Reid Vapor Pressure) of about 7psi. (this is because gasoline can actually boil at high altitudes causing vapor-lock and engine failure in aircraft)


ymmv.......

Keep in mind that avgas is also leaded for stability (prevents detonation or pre-ignition). Aircraft engines have much higher compression ratios than our boat motors AND two spark plugs per cylinder for a more even/effecient burn in the cylinders. It all has to do with stability and pressure (be it from atmospheric pressure or cylinder compression). Avgas doesn't 'boil' at altitude and 'vapor lock' is caused by ambient heat expanding the fuel in the lines after the pump stopped supplying pressure (i.e. shutdown after a flight). But I digress....

I run premium in my boat: it still starts hard when cold, deisels a bit, and doesn't have the pickup I want. Need to do some TLC to the ignition system :D
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: regular or super unleaded

Keep in mind that avgas is also leaded for stability (prevents detonation or pre-ignition). Aircraft engines have much higher compression ratios than our boat motors AND two spark plugs per cylinder for a more even/effecient burn in the cylinders. It all has to do with stability and pressure (be it from atmospheric pressure or cylinder compression). ...
Um....Avgas IS leaded. But it has nothing to do with "stability"...... It has everything to do with preventing detonation in high compression and/or high HP turbo/supercharged engines.


Not ALL aviation piston engines are "Higher Compression" than our boat motors. (maybe YOUR airplane has a higher compression engine)

In Fact....MOST small aircraft piston engines are lower compression (than our boat motors) AND can run on unleaded (no-ethanol) regular grade MOGAS (the same stuff Mercury recommends running in our boats) [Hence the EAA and Peterson Autogas STC's]


Aircraft engines don't have 2 plugs per cyl for efficiency, it's for redundancy. (2 complete independent magneto ignition systems.....if one fails .......the airplane keeps flying......or a plug fouls, you don't lose 25% of your cyls in a 4cyl engine!)

Avgas doesn't 'boil' at altitude and 'vapor lock' is caused by ambient heat expanding the fuel in the lines after the pump stopped supplying pressure (i.e. shutdown after a flight). But I digress....
I don't think I said that it does.....Avgas doesn't boil at altitude, BECAUSE it has (and always had as far back as the 1950's) an RVP of around 7psi....and many aircraft fuel systems will tolerate current (non-ethanol mogas) well because it is now manufactured with a MUCH lower RVP than in the recent past.

Vapor lock can happen in any fuel system with or without a fuel pump if the engine compartment temp is high enough. It can also happen at lower temps if the engine is located at a high altitude.

Vapor lock happens when the fuel starts to boil (in the fuel line). It can also boil if the fuel line(s) fuel pump, and filter etc, are subjected to high engine compartment temps.........It's mainy why Mercury put the Cool-fuel systems in some installations.....


And yes, we BOTH digress!



And back to the premium vs regular thing.....

In the US, in areas where the gasoline MUST be oxygenated, they oxygenate all the grades not just regular. ["You People" up north are lucky to get non-oxygenated gas!!]

I think EAA would like to see non-oxygenated (non-alcohol) premium gasoline so we could use it in our airplanes. we cannot use E-10 at all because it voids the STC (supplemental type certificate) allowing mogas.......


In a boat however, aside from the fiberglass fuel tank thing), I'm with most people. I just use it. I run it mostly out by the end of the summer and replace the filter and fill it up in the spring

That little bit in the fuel line runs out while I'm warming up at the dock.


Cheers,


Rick

 

Joshua Nichols

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Re: regular or super unleaded

I think I will use stabilizer anyhow.. Have heard of gas going to pot in as little as 90 days:eek:.. Now I haven't had such a problem, but some customers I had did(and yes they could of been full of it).. Rather not risk it.. I just cleaned up the carb and got it running perfect. Rather go boating next spring rather than have to pull that dude off again..
 

Brewman61

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Re: regular or super unleaded

If your leaving that gas in the tank for a few months, definately go for some type of stabilizer. I've used Stabil- you can get it anywhere, and it's inexpensive. Once you put in the stabilizer, make sure to run the engine long enough to pull the stabilized fuel into your carb.
 

tkrfxr

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Re: regular or super unleaded

Somehow my engines know when I use the 89 octane stuff. They really like the 93 octane, and when I don't use it, the engines lose performance. In particular, the starboard engine begins to require more throttle to synch up with the port engine....

It usually gets better with the better grade gas.

I haven't figured out why...it will have to wait until next season.
 

Rocky_Road

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Re: regular or super unleaded

It makes no sense (in my opinion) to NOT use a proven fuel stabilizer in this era of ethanol laced gas. I have researched a great deal on what ethanol gas can do to our marine investments...and every boating publication that I receive has the same conclusion.

I have used Sta-Bil Marine (blue formula) for the past three years, and enjoy the peace of mind that I am doing all that I can do to ward off trouble. I just discovered that another company that I have great faith in (CRC) has come out with their own product:

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This is offered right here at iBoats...and I will be trying it soon!

Happy boating!
 

Rumley

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Re: regular or super unleaded

I always run super in my toys 91 octane is the highest I can find anywhere around town for me. I also put some octane boost in every tank because it is written on my engine block to use minimum 93 octane. I have run 87 in a jam but boat didn't perform as well and I burnt a lot more then normal. I also put startron stabilizer/ethanol fighter in every tank. For the extra 10 cents per liter in a 90 liter tank it's worth the 9 bucks and maybe 2 bucks of stabilizer/octane boost just for the piece of mind. Maybe neither do anything but I am more confident in my motor and if it sits for a month (hopefully won't during the summer) I know I will get there and not have to worry about the fuel.
 

bruceb58

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Re: regular or super unleaded

I always run super in my toys 91 octane is the highest I can find anywhere around town for me. I also put some octane boost in every tank because it is written on my engine block to use minimum 93 octane.
very possible that the octane number they used in 1975 doesn't correspond to what is used now. The rating that is used today is the average of the RON and MON numbers which gives around 87. Back in 75 they may have used the RON number for regular which is around 93. You can probably just use regular as long as you don't ping.
 

Rumley

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Re: regular or super unleaded

I did not know they had different ratings then to now. I'm going to try some lower grade next year and see how it performs. My friends dad had the same motor though and he said his ran poorly with 87 octane. I guess I will just have to test it. Thanks
 

DaNinja

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I wasn't really looking for the octane, but I just put 25 gallons of 93 octane in to top off the boat with a non-ethanol fuel. I bought it on land so it was still 30 cents/gallon cheaper than on the water. My truck, on the other hand, has to have 93 octane or it will ping like a diesel.
 

stealthdrummer

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I have no choice but to run the good stuff. That's the price you pay for a hot rod boat.:D
 
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