Refugees

Kiwi Phil

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Here's a tough one for you. Wifes' friend has a 'school' contracting to Govt supply services to refugees (laungage courses, computer skills, job searching skills etc etc). She hears we are looking for staff and recommends a students, who I take on as a casual, 1 day per week for 3 weeks - to see how he goes.

He presented a resume stating he was a 28yo Afghani, worked (confusing) # years in construction in Tehran, and came here from Pakistan (his wife, children, parents - complete family live). He came to Australia via people smugglers, flying to Indonesia, then taking a terrible boat trip to Australia.

He seems a nice chap, and happy to have some work (remember these people are on 100% welfare benefits so they are not poor) but as time goes by, things don't seem to gel.

He is not 28, probably between 38 and 48.
As he had construction skills I gave him a task of nailing-repairing 3 pallets - he didn't have a clue - never held a hammer nor hit a nail in his life.
I listened in on my other young blokes asking him about where he lived and what he did in Afghanistan - his answers were pretty vague. Young Dan (22yo) can to me and said 'he's not from there - somethings wrong - he doesn't know what he did or where he lived in Afghanistan. He is lying to us and can't remeber what he said'.
He was always on his mobile phone - fathers had an accident in Pakistan and needs money for the hospital. I talk with him and he lets slip he is talking to his oldest 25yo daughter, then said 15, then 'my english is poor'.

Anyway he does his 3 days (stuffs me up the 3rd day but that's ok - I had many other more important problems than him).
I tell him I don't need him again and will ring him when someone leaves.

Now I am being unendated with e-mails requesting details of the tasks and duties he did for his resume. I said put down he had 3 days casual work as a labourer, and my name and phone #, and that's it. I am not misleading any future employer in to believing he has skills he does not have. That's not good enough for him, so after the next e-mail, I am blocking him.

In conclusion, this man is not what he told our authorities - no way - he is a Pakistani or Iranian economic refugee, and lastly, I am beginning to take less and less notice of peoples resumes. I have struck a few now that were 55% B/S.
Anybody else having issues with applicants resumes?

End of rant!

Cheers
Phillip
 

angus63

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Re: Refugees

When it comes to hiring strangers, I adopted the wisdom of former US President Ronald Reagan. "Trust, but verify!".
 

r.j.dawg

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My policy on resume's is that anything that is not verifiable gets immediately dismissed as, um, hearsay. ;)
 

lexer440

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Resumes tell you what people have done in past employment, they don't tell you how well they did it. One thing they all tell you is that they do not work there anymore.
 

puddle jumper

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Re: Refugees

At our shop we can go through many people. Its the usual BS why some of these people come and go. Every one has a learning curve when starting a new job but you can always tell the ones that want to work from the ones that are just trying to coast through life. We often lay bets down how long the person will last. In the shop we have a strong policy that people with seniority get the better jobs because they have put in there time on the crappy ones.

Like every where its the BS or who you know gets you the job and what you know/work ethic lets you keep the job. Don't feel bad about what you did as he needs to learn what he has done does not work in your country. People who are after the free ride need to be pointed out.
 

tkrfxr

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I like "trust buy verify."

I would also make a report to homeland security.

Just my opinion.

When I came to this country, I had all manner of checks made on me and my family....I recall my father (and each one of our family, individually) having to answer if he had ever been a member of the National Socialist Party on the visa application....at a time when the biggest threat to America was communism....not the nazis!

It seems the government is quite behind the times and does not know how to screen who should be allowed in, or kept out, or how to check them out....
 

rivermouse

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I like "trust buy verify."

I would also make a report to homeland security.

Just my opinion.

When I came to this country, I had all manner of checks made on me and my family....I recall my father (and each one of our family, individually) having to answer if he had ever been a member of the National Socialist Party on the visa application....at a time when the biggest threat to America was communism....not the nazis!

It seems the government is quite behind the times and does not know how to screen who should be allowed in, or kept out, or how to check them out....
solution = E-verify and bio metric IDs .....but even bringing this up will be called "political" by some folks so I will say no more
 

rivermouse

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Not politcal, just reality, it won't work. The most "secure" web sites in the US like the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, Banks, Microsoft, Google, Etc., etc. are hacked daily and 10s of millions of people's personal information stolen and sold to the highest biders. Bio metric ID's all come down to ones and zeros stored on them locally and its FAR easier to alter them than it is to alter a photo and that's dead simple. Not only won't it solve anything its biggest harm is that it grants people a false sense of security and the problems are never really solved.

Again, that isn't a political view point, its a technical one based on more than a little time in computer science and electronics.
Gezzz I thought photo IDs and eye scans and FINGERPRINTS were not something one person could steal from another person.Of course Im not an electronics expert.....Just having the stolen paperwork is a long way from being the person.....When a cop runs your name and gets a picture how in the world can you cheat on that.Is it not possible for cops to scan fingerprints and your corneas on the side of the road and feed the info into the central computer for comparison? Are you saying this couldnt verify exactly who the person is?
 

rivermouse

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A central computer where a hacker can alter the data? Your first assumption is that somehow we can talk 300 million people into allowing their retinal scans / finger prints be taken and then tied to personal information (SS number, DL, etc.) and stored in a central computer somewhere. I can tell you I would never agree to that and most of the people I know around me wouldn't either. The risk of that data base being hacked is enormous, so much so it wouldn't be "if" its hacked but "when" its hacked.

Second, you are talking about the cop at the side of the road. That means any Tom, **** or Harry has access to that data base. ANY system that "open" has security like swiss cheese. Imagine every county, city, and federal worker having access to that data base. Imagine every employer in the country having access to it. Do you really believe all of them are honest and can't be bought? Not a chance.

As I said, the real danger in this is people think you sprinkle some digital fairy dust on it and the problem is solved. Sorry but no. What you suggest is taking everyone's personal data and aggragating it to one location and putting a huge sign up that says, "Help Yourself". Believe me, the bad guys would be backing up semi trucks to it and getting all they could.
All I know is my data is in the "system" and yours is too and we MUST have a way to identify who is who our our entire country is at risk. To live here you got to have an ID, a real one, and we dont have to have computers that are wide open to hackers in order to do it. We depend on them too much evidently since you say NOTHING is safe from hackers.
 

Philip_G

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lol, i work for the government. About once a year I get a letter saying they lost my personal information somehow. I think this time it got eaten on a fedex sort machine and a few pages are missing. You really want to trust them with MORE?
 

1973Chieftain

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Im not sure what the Aussie equivalent to Homeland Security is, but I work for the U.S. and can tell you we would want to know about such a person IMMEDIATELY!! I would say from the sounds of things, he is not a refugee but either working for a government of a organization that blows things up... either way, I would highly recommend making the call!!
 

r.j.dawg

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Corrrect, we do rely on them and they are not secure. No public facing (internet) computer is. But, hackers are the small problem compared to all the people that have legitimate access to them. All it takes is for one unhappy employee, someone greasing a palm, just plain dumb moves, etc. and it all comes tumbling down. All it takes is one.

As to the rest of the post, too political so I'll leave it alone. ;)
Anyone remember that recently a couple of Naval officers, one American, one Canadian, relieved their respective governments of some information. Need I say more.
 

fireman57

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Phil this is something that needs to be reported to the proper authorities immediately.
 

greenbush future

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Misleading work experience, and getting caught would be grounds for no hire here in the states. As a head hunter in the IT field, I can assure you misleading folks in business is almost as common as telling the truth is here in the US when dealing with many of the middle eastern people I work with. And in your case it would have been very easy to figure this out even before he started working for you.
I would inform any of the authorities of his misleading lies, and everything else he is manipulating you to do. Regardless of where you come from, no one, ever should have to spin a story of lies such as what you shared here. The security issue may also be of concern, and should be followed up on too. Better to be safe than regret, you have nothing to hide, and this can only help.
 

rbh

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The first thing you noticed was the guy could not operate a hammer!!

(My granny could operate a hammer)

So on that note, you get rid of him for lying to you about his work expierence, or that he was just to stupid to operate a hammer!!
 
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