Refinishing questions newbie

DerekWagen

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About 2 years ago now my grandfather past away, i inherited this 1983 Ebb-tide Dyna Trac 176 s/s. I've fished on this boat since i was born it had great sentimental value to me and many memories. As you can see from the picture over the years its gel-coat or Clear coat has faded, to the touch it feels like sand paper. Its a fiber glass boat I just need someone to point me in the right direction of what to do, doing this with my own two hands is kind of what i feel is necessary. I've been reading some topics and I'm still kind of lost It would be greatly appreciated for any tips or information on how to and what to do.
 

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KDAVID1

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

Welcome to iboats. Sorry about your grandfather. I have kinda the same issue (although mine isn't rough) but I will be interested in what people come back with as I am looking to revive mine as well.
Good luck to you--you are in the right place for information.
 

Beefer

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

Start here, and then do a search. This topic gets hammered on a weekly (dare I say daily) basis.
 

chriscraft254

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

Wet Sand, Wet Sand, Wet Sand! Start with 1000 grit paper. You can use 600 grit and then finish with 1000,1200,1500. But start with the 1000 grit for a test. If you need coarser start with the 600. Keep the paper wet all the time while sanding. Make sure you but wet sand paper, not regular sand paper. After done sanding, light compound and then a good wax. From there you should be able to wax every couple months and keep it looking nice.
 

62 ROYAL SCOTT

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

HELL-O D-W WELCOME, Sorry to hear about your GF I'm glad to hear that you got to go fishing with him on that very boat AND NOW YOU HAVE THAT TRESURE ENJOY. Beefer got you in the right direction.--- Take care. :)
 

DerekWagen

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

By sanding it down am i going to be taking any of the paint off? Are there places that do gel-coatings? can i do my own gel-coat/clear coat? I don't want to have to wax and polish it once a months i work 70 hours a week 6 days out of the week. i really just want to take a few weeks off get down and work on this and have it looking great for at least a few years.
 

Beefer

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

There most likely isn't any paint. If you do what has been previously said, and you read the many other threads related to yours, it will last a couple of years. You will have to wax the boat (at least) once a year, but the gelcoat will stay looking good for a long time. The fiish on your boat was neglected over many years, and you have to un-do that neglect.
 

DerekWagen

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

Ive been told by a few folks that where it feels like sand paper the gel-coat is gone/worn down? do you know if that is correct or not because the color is faded and its rough unlike the lower spots of the brown color where there is still some shine and is smooth. Under the brown its fiber glass the color was mixed with the fiber glass but does not go all the way through.
 

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

I would take some fine (800 or higher) wet sandpaper, and try a small area of the rough areas, and see what it does. If nothing else, and I'm sure others will correct me if this isn't decent advise, sand it smooth, prime it, then paint it with Awlgrip or similar. That's only if the gelcoat is beyond rehabilitation. Don't even consider having the boat re-gelcoated, it would cost far more than the boat is worth (not including sentimental value).
 

DerekWagen

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

Prime with what and would it bring the color back out because the rough areas are dull but when wet it looks good as new.
 

chriscraft254

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

Polyflake/metal flake boats are contructed in a mold, to where as the clear coat is sprayed in first(thin layer), then the flake/clear mixture is then sprayed in and then the fiberglass matt is then layed and after a curing it is then released from the mold. There is no paint involved.
If you sand this down, and the top layer of gel coat is gone, you will have to re-gelcoat it with clear gelcoat or spray it with clear algrip. there are other brands out there, but thats what I would recommend. Don't use a poly or something not made for the harsh conditions that the boat will see. Try the wet sanding and let us know what you see.
 

DerekWagen

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

i appreciate it guys any more input is greatly appreciate still keep it coming. I will try out a few things tomorrow post more pictures and let yall know what is happening and If there are any improvements.
 

DerekWagen

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

little update i wet sanded with 1200 grit then to 1500 grit, it did take the sandy rough texture away but turns out i dont have any oxidation its just the sun and the elements eating past the gel-coat and into the paint but after taking the time and looking at the work better there are distinctive faults in over spray when they did the gel-coat i got a quote on repainting / gel-coating / or just putting a clear coat it cant range from 3000 dollars to 800 depending on the what i want done and the quality of the work i guess any input on what to do because wax and polish dont really bring back the shine like the boat painter told me a gel-coat / clear-coat would do a few spot would still look rough but it is an old boat and has been though the thick and the thin
 

NHGuy

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

So after the 1500 you should do cutting compound, then polish, then wax. After the water sanding it will look really dead til you finish it up. Try it on a small area and if it works do the whole boat.
If that shines it up you are done. If not and the flake is exposed-that's a whole other can of worms.
Good luck.
 

oops!

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

i doubt that the clear gell is totally toast....yes its turned kinda opaque....but this is oxidasation.

as said above.....you need to do a rubbing compound on the gellcoat...then full polish.

you will need a variable speed sander....(roughly 1800-2100 rpms.
some rubbing compound.....and some proper marine polishing compound.....i use farecla.

compound the boat....this can take as much as 5 hours.....then use a proper polishing compound.

your done !
 

fisherman81654

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Re: Refinishing questions newbie

Wet sand the boat with 1000 grit water sand paper ,hose in one hand,sandpaper in the other hand. Dont let the residue dry on the boat,youll just have to get it off later.That will smooth the surface down and provide scratchs for the clear coat to stick to,providing you do not have wax on it.If you do have wax on it ,get come wax and grease remover in a gallon can.

After thats done,blow it all off with the air hose.Tape up all areas you dont want clear coat on.
Take a tak cloth and wipe it all down.
Spray three or four coats of clear coat on,allowing each coat to dry to touch.
Wait at least twenty four hours,water sand again with 1200 to 1500 grit water paper depending on how well it sands, rinseing as you sand.let a area dry where you sanded and look and see if you see what looks like, a orange peeling,that is what you are sanding out or flat,So if 1500 works use it but if it may take awhile ,use 1200 grit,you can always go back over it with 1500grit so it wont be so hard to buff out the scratchs.Blown it all dry and buff with a high speed buffer,using medium compound and medium pad till all the 1500 grit scratchs are gone.Doing this will give you a mirrow finish.
After that get some swirl mark remover and a light buffer pad and buff till the medium swirls are gone,then wax with new finish to cover the very light swirl pad scratchs,which most people can't see anyway.
It will look better than new.
Choose a automotive clear to spray,like a ppg product.
If you can get to those tools like paint gun ,good mask,air compressor with water trap and a high speed air buffer or electric, and pads,Thats all it takes and it will last for years.
 
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