Question about towing

sschefer

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I know you said 'most' so you probably had this in mind... Some of the newer 1/2 tons are coming out with traction control that includes sway control systems. Apparently they are VERY good at preventing sway, through some computer magic.

This is the system I was referring to. I had it on my Tahoe and I have it on my F350. The Tahoe was horrible in the wind but flip the traction control on and she straightened right out. On or off on the Ford doesn't seem to make much difference.
 

sschefer

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TOTAL OVERKILL!!!!

A truck can tow up to the limits listed in the owners manual. Period.
Just my rule, don't have to make it yours. I do know that my trucks seem to last a lot longer than my friends that don't follow that rule.
 

sschefer

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You've got to be kidding....lol.


Its amazing how many people on here think you need a diesel with suspension upgrades and a weight distribution hitch to pull a canoe. :facepalm:
Ahhh, you're just jealous cuz you don't have one...
 

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Sway control and traction control are not the same animal. All trucks already have sway bars that should insure that the truck doesn't sway wildly. Traction control is usually the contol of power to certain wheels/tires at a certain time.
I know you said 'most' so you probably had this in mind... Some of the newer 1/2 tons are coming out with traction control that includes sway control systems. Apparently they are VERY good at preventing sway, through some computer magic.
 

smokeonthewater

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he isn't talking about sway bars.... he's talking about electronic stability control.... It is a system, similar to traction control, that actively applies individual brakes to control adverse yaw forces.. IE alternating brakes L to R to stop the rear of the vehicle from swaying. They can be downright amazing.
 

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he isn't talking about sway bars.... he's talking about electronic stability control.... It is a system, similar to traction control, that actively applies individual brakes to control adverse yaw forces.. IE alternating brakes L to R to stop the rear of the vehicle from swaying. They can be downright amazing.

Exactly, and it is amazing. Do you have it on your dually?
 

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I know what he is talking about, this was his quote! "Many vehicles of today have something called traction control devices that are used to conteract sway. These do a very good job at redirecting the forces away from the suspension system but should not be considered a total solution."

This information is not all correct. ESC systems will be required on every vehicle after 2012. They were first introduced on Mercedes and bmw in the early to mid 90s. You can look at it as a anti-sway if you want but it really isn't. The job of the ESC is to controll traction, over steer and under steer. Every manufacturer at this point calls it by different names. But they all pretty much do the same thing. The ESC controls wheel spin by braking individual wheels/tires in an incedent that is caused by over steer or under steer. It will use the brakes and/or the rmps to gain better control of the vehicle.

I wasn't saying it wouldn't help, I said it wasn't an anti-sway system. It is in fact, a anti-slide system.
he isn't talking about sway bars.... he's talking about electronic stability control.... It is a system, similar to traction control, that actively applies individual brakes to control adverse yaw forces.. IE alternating brakes L to R to stop the rear of the vehicle from swaying. They can be downright amazing.
 

Volphin

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Well we are still shopping for one. The one I wanted got sold out from under us. grrrr.

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smokeonthewater

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I gotcha... I'm under the impression (though not certain) that some of these systems are activated by G forces and can actually activate without the tires losing traction IE anti sway......

That said, the newest vehicle I have ever owned is a 1999 lol I personally don't put much faith in electronics controlling my vehicle.... I prefer a large heavy truck over all the computers in the world....
 

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My 07 Tundra has it and you really sense it in the snow. It has what is called a yaw sensor that detects sideway and tilt. It works by applying the brakes only on the whells that need it to straighten it out.You can hear it working. CrissCraft is absolutly correct in his statement.
 

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You're okay on the overall weight of the trailer and contents for most if not all modern 1/2t pickups or Durango's etc. However, you seriously need to take a look at the actual loaded tongue weight v. the receiver hitch capacity of the tow vehicle. I have a 16' 10k Haulmark trailer that would put me seriously overweight on the tongue using the receiver if I loaded the trailer to the max. On the other hand, I am well within my limits towing my 7500lb 5th wheel RV with the same 1/2t truck. So, you need to seriously look at all the vehicles towing the trailer to ensure you're legal and safe.
 

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My 07 Tundra has it and you really sense it in the snow. It has what is called a yaw sensor that detects sideway and tilt. It works by applying the brakes only on the whells that need it to straighten it out.You can hear it working. CrissCraft is absolutly correct in his statement.

OK so you are saying that the system on your truck would do absolutely nothing for sway unless it got so bad that the vehicle started skidding....
 

sschefer

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My 07 Tundra has it and you really sense it in the snow. It has what is called a yaw sensor that detects sideway and tilt. It works by applying the brakes only on the whells that need it to straighten it out.You can hear it working. CrissCraft is absolutly correct in his statement.

My 90' Vette had the yaw and pitch control system in it. It was in the early stages of development at that time and really took a lot of the fun out of the car. The darn thing would nearly shut down on you if you got it into a decent drift while trying to work the apex of a usually fun corner. You couldn't turn it off in that year model. I finally sold it and got another 86' which was a lot more fun. The system in the Tahoe worked very well at keeping the sway down. I was somewhat familiar with the theory behind it but didn't know the facts as well as Chriscraft has explained them.
 
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