Question about timing and sync

tbonebrad

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So I have found these directions from clams

This basic procedure will work for all the 2/3/4/6 cylinder inlines from 1960 to 1988. It's not for the newer 3 and 4 cylinder loopers.

Engine off

Disconnect throttle cable


Pull throttle arm to full throttle and verify carbs open fully. Adjust main throttle stop so that the carbs are JUST hitting thier own little throttle stops. The idea here is that you want the screw stop and NOT the carbs acting as the "final stop" for your throttle lever.

Return the throttle to idle, carbs should be closed. Set all idle screws to 1 3/4 turns out from lightly seated.

Remove all plugs except #1, hook a timing light to #1. Then follow the narritive.

When the throttle is in the idle position the carbs should be fully closed and the ignition retarded. It is the amount of retardation that determines your idle speed and is set later with the idle stop screw.

Timing Event One - throttle pickup.
As the throttle is advanced, the spark timing advances toward TDC and then to before TDC. As the timing is just passing TDC the 1st (minor)throttle pickup should hit and start to open the carbs. Use the timing light. Adjust the tang or trigger screw to make this a reality. All of them are speced different, but if the 1st pickup hits at 3-4 degrees BTDC advance - you win. Use the timing light with a friend cranking it to complete this setting.

Timing Event Two - max advance.
As you continue to advance the throttle the timing will advance while the carbs slowly open a bit more. The next adjustment is max advance, this is the point where the distibutor (or trigger) can advance no more. Set the max-advance stop to 21 degrees for "direct charge" crossflow inlines and 34 degrees for the older plain vanilla crossflows. Use the light, - err to the side of caution.

Right after max advance, further throttle motion should cause the second throttle pickup to hit and open the carbs to full. You already set that -now verify it.

Leave the throttle cable disconnected and go to the water. Leave the boat strapped to the trailer and back it in so it's deep enought to run. Have a friend crank it while you operate the choke and throttle. Warm it up at 1500 rpms's.

When "warm" adjust the idle stop screw for about 800 rpm and then ajust your idle needle(s) in (one at a time) till the motor stumbles. Quickly backing it out 1/2 turn from "stumble" will usually save it from needing a re-start. Do that for all the idle screws. Re-set idle stop for 800.

Now have your friend put it in gear (make SURE you are on the transom NOT in the water) and reset your idle stop for as low as you can get it. 500-600rpm is great if your old reeds will let it idle that low in gear. Now, re-adjust the idle screws, in to stumble, then 1/2 turn out. When you've gone back and forth with that a few times and have it "perfect" - adjust each one out 1/4 turn.

Reset the idle stop so that it's about 700-800 out of gear and 500-600 in gear. Sometimes bad reeds won't let you get that low, you've GOT to get it under 1000 in neutral (worst case) to avoid beating up your lower unit when you shift into gear, even 1000 is "bad" but like I said "worst case".

Now adjust (and hook up)the throttle cable so that with the shifter in neutral, there is light to moderate pressure holding the throttle arm against the idle stop.

Take the boat off the trailer and go out in the water. Try the hole shot. If it falls on it's face try adjusting the idle screws out 1/4 turn at a time (all of them together) till you can get a hole shot. You can kind of do this on the trailer at the ramp, but it's not really safe for you, the boat, or the tow vehicle.

You're done.

My question is when I'm setting the 2 timing events is my buddy cranking on the engine the whole time? It says to take all the plugs out except for #1 but will the engine even stay started with only 1 plug in? Am I supposed to be advancing the throttle while cranking? I'm pretty confused.
 

tbonebrad

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Re: Question about timing and sync

I have seen that video but I don't have a distributer like that. I have a type V thunderbolt ignition. Also, I did buy a timing light.
 

mercurymang

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Re: Question about timing and sync

It's not supposed to start. It doesn't say this in the post but you are supposed to run the gas out prior to this. Then you just set the timing while cranking. Another trick that worked for me was to turn on the ignition and set the #1 spark plug up so you can see it spark (again, no fuel should be supplied to the motor at this point). Now grab the flywheel and turn it past the first pick up point. You can actually turn it slow enough that you can observe the degree mark where the plug fires. Now just adjust pickup point to fire at the correct mark. Do the same for the max advance. Worked for me and my motor runs great too.
 

tbonebrad

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Re: Question about timing and sync

Ok I attempted to time the engine after work and I and clueless at my results.

First I tried cranking with the throttle sitting on the idle stop screw. This gave me a timing of 6-8 ATDC. I didn't know what to make of this because I expected it to be BTDC. Next I tried fully advancing the spark arm to max spark and I was at about 28-30 ATDC. After this I was a little confused because I thought that hitting the max spark screw was when my carbs first started to open which would have been my primary pickup. How could it be 28-30ATDC when the manual says it should be 2BTDC-2ATDC?

After that I decided to come back to the timing later and see if I could start the engine as I had just rebuilt the carbs and the fuel pump. It started up and I got the tach hooked up (it had never worked but thanks to this forum I was able to fix it) and was able to see that it was idling at 1700RPM. When I saw this I brought down the idle stop screw till the engine was at 850-900RPMs. I then used my timing light to check the timing at idle which was 4-6ATDC.

I have a ton of questions so I'm gonna try to number them, If you can answer any of them it would be a great help to me (I'm trying to take my boat to a 4 day vacation at the lake tomorrow)
1. I cannot retard the spark arm any more and keep the engine running so how the hell am I suppsed to get to 2BTDC-2ATDC on the primary pickup?
2. What the heck is the primark pickup? It looked to me like the carbs didn't start opening until the spark arm hit max spark and the throttle arm started to move.
3. Is max advance when the spark arm hits the max spark stop screw or is it when the throttle arm hits max throttle?
4. Where is the trigger screw? Is there another name for it?

Here is the pic I'm using to try to get names for things
ThrottleAssembly.jpg
 

Chris1956

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Re: Question about timing and sync

The motor is not supposed to run, when you set timing. Put the timing light on the top cylinder. Crank the motor and advance the throttle until the timing is 4-6* BTDC. Adjust the idle pickup screw to touch the lever that opens the carbs. Advance the throttle to max. Asjust the max spark advance to read 21* BTDC. You do not care what the timing is at idle speed. It wil usually be ATDC.
 
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