? quality of these fish maps ?

Expidia

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This is not an “ad” to this site from me. I don't know who they are? Has anyone here ever bought fish maps from them for their area?

I found maps at: www.fishingmap.com

I'm not interested as much in their fishing spot tips (although it can’t hurt when I don’t know the lake) . . . I'm more interested in showing the layout of each lake. Boat launches etc.

I fish many of the lakes they show for my area. Lake Champlain for instance is broken down over 3 maps, so before I pay $12 each plus shipping I didn't want to waste over $36 to find that this company’s maps were not all that good.

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Re: ? quality of these fish maps ?

I'd rather go to the local bait shop and ask questions.
 

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Re: ? quality of these fish maps ?

Ask those folks what year the map was drawn. Seriously. I bought a map the other day for a lake I fish. When I got it home, I discovered that was 15 years old. That's a long time.

It's an important question, especially if the map suggests fishing locations.
 

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Re: ? quality of these fish maps ?

Ask those folks what year the map was drawn. Seriously. I bought a map the other day for a lake I fish. When I got it home, I discovered that was 15 years old. That's a long time.

It's an important question, especially if the map suggests fishing locations.

This is a good point . . . I was in West Marine last month looking over a book of charts of the upper Hudson River that they had at 15% off. I flipped to the front for the publishing date and it was 2001!

I'll email the company and ask them for the date and also to see a sample of their maps!
 

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The maps for Seneca lake and Caugua lake are acurate for the info. u require... I own them both and the boat launch info. has not changed. For fishing Seneca launch at Roy's so u can the low down and bait if required. I have been out pulling copper in the mornings with excelent results!!! Start early enough that u need boat lights on still and look for ur fish in 45' to 70' of water. Bass fish the evenings as the trout fishing has been very slow. As far as Caugua run small purple and black spoons/stickbaits for browns, rainbows, landlock and expect to find lakers at all depths. Stop at Barry's bait and tackle [rt. 5 & 20 north of ur stay it's on ur way to Caugua] and get the skinny on Bass fishing locations for The Big C!!! Also I was at Barry's today and was sad to hear Bass Pro is putting them out of buisness!!! All inventory is 25% to 50% off and mainly geared toward Bass fishing... Stop in for some great deals!!!:cool:
Also don't go by the locations givin in those maps for fishing... to many variables change over the years. Structure is okay such as steep drop offs but ur best bet is to ask the guys at the local marina/bait shops for the latest hot spots!!!
 
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Also if u r coming the weekend of the 13th - 14th July there is a derby going on that includes both lakes u plan to fish... The Red Cross Derby has a web or u can go to www.senecamarine.com for info. there...:cool:
 
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The maps for Seneca lake and Caugua lake are acurate for the info. u require... I own them both and the boat launch info. has not changed. For fishing Seneca launch at Roy's so u can the low down and bait if required. I have been out pulling copper in the mornings with excelent results!!! Start early enough that u need boat lights on still and look for ur fish in 45' to 70' of water. Bass fish the evenings as the trout fishing has been very slow. As far as Caugua run small purple and black spoons/stickbaits for browns, rainbows, landlock and expect to find lakers at all depths. Stop at Barry's bait and tackle [rt. 5 & 20 north of ur stay it's on ur way to Caugua] and get the skinny on Bass fishing locations for The Big C!!! Also I was at Barry's today and was sad to hear Bass Pro is putting them out of buisness!!! All inventory is 25% to 50% off and mainly geared toward Bass fishing... Stop in for some great deals!!!:cool:
Also don't go by the locations givin in those maps for fishing... to many variables change over the years. Structure is okay such as steep drop offs but ur best bet is to ask the guys at the local marina/bait shops for the latest hot spots!!!

Wow, thx for all the pointers. I was putting off my Finger Lakes trip until my new 40 HP came. . . . It came today" and I dropped the boat off at the dealer for him to swap my 30 out for the 40. I'm going to wait until a few days before so to be assured of good weather. I'm filing this with the other tips from rndn and some others.

I was mostly interested in these maps showing obstructions or islands sticking out of the water at low tide like on the Hudson River which has a 6 foot tide!

I figure if I could find a map that shows me launches, shallow areas, obstructions etc and a few good fishing spots, it would be great since I don't have a lot of room on my 15 foot boat to store stuff.
 

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I figure if I could find a map that shows me launches, shallow areas, obstructions etc and a few good fishing spots, it would be great since I don't have a lot of room on my 15 foot boat to store stuff.

Have you ever consider getting a GPS/depth finder unit such as a Lowrance LMS480 or higher? Put a Navionics map card in it then you got all the lake maps of the Eastern U.S. I'm sure Champlain would be included with high details. Yes it pricey but the advantages are huge. You gets all these maps at your finger tip and you don't have to slow down to read it and don't have to find a place to stash them in your 15 footer. The gps allows you to get right on a particular spot on the map. You can't do that on a paper map, the only way to know exactly where an underwater hump is to actually run over it and see it on your depth finder. There are numerous times when I would be lost without the help of my gps. I don't worry anymore about strange lakes or going up the creek because it's easy staying in the channel with the help of the gps. You will really appreciates having one when the fog is so thick you can't see 5ft pass the bow of the boat.
 

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Re: ? quality of these fish maps ?

www.senecamarine.com is the web site to find local derby info. not senecamarinA.com sorry for this mis info. It has been corrected on that post as well.:cool:
 

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Have you ever consider getting a GPS/depth finder unit such as a Lowrance LMS480 or higher? Put a Navionics map card in it then you got all the lake maps of the Eastern U.S. I'm sure Champlain would be included with high details. Yes it pricey but the advantages are huge. You gets all these maps at your finger tip and you don't have to slow down to read it and don't have to find a place to stash them in your 15 footer. The gps allows you to get right on a particular spot on the map. You can't do that on a paper map, the only way to know exactly where an underwater hump is to actually run over it and see it on your depth finder. There are numerous times when I would be lost without the help of my gps. I don't worry anymore about strange lakes or going up the creek because it's easy staying in the channel with the help of the gps. You will really appreciates having one when the fog is so thick you can't see 5ft pass the bow of the boat.

Hmmm, let's see . . . $500 for the GPS + $150 for the Nav Map card= $750
or I could spring for $12.50 for a map . . . $12.50 or $750 . . . $12.50 or $750
Someone help me decide?

Ha ha ha jus kidd'in. Actually you've piqued my interest now. I might have to put my marine stereo with the Sirius car to boat add on unit on hold!

You're right about the GPS way to go. I didn't realize that the GPS had Nav Maps that show depths. I have two handheld GPS units now one with the Map Source U.S. Navigational Waterways on it. But it doesn't show depths only lights and flashers etc. I would not get on a boat with out one. I even bring it when I go on friends boats and mark a way point before I leave the dock!

My only hold back is I already spent well over $400 plus for the Garmin handheld and accessories. I've spent another $250 plus for my TomTom GPS system on my Treo 700 PDA.

I thought the marine GPS units were more expensive but I guess I was looking at the list prices before.

The one you mentioned is about $500. The color model which seems to be the next one up is only a few dollars more and color for me would be the way to go.

Of the models out there that are around that price range Garmin, Lowrance, Hummingird etc . . . Would you say the Lowrance is the best model to go with?

Can anyone point me to any reviews of these units in the $500 to 700
range?

Yes the GPS is the way to go . . . As I'm cruising along I find by the time I notice I've entered shallow water by my depthfinder . . . it will be too late someday and to me $500 is cheap insurance to protect my new outboards lower unit!
 

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Re: ? quality of these fish maps ?

The one you mentioned is about $500. The color model which seems to be the next one up is only a few dollars more and color for me would be the way to go.

Of the models out there that are around that price range Garmin, Lowrance, Hummingird etc . . . Would you say the Lowrance is the best model to go with?

Can anyone point me to any reviews of these units in the $500 to 700
range?

Yes the GPS is the way to go . . . As I'm cruising along I find by the time I notice I've entered shallow water by my depthfinder . . . it will be too late someday and to me $500 is cheap insurance to protect my new outboards lower unit!

It's one of the most important investment for anyone who like to fish big waters that you're not familiar with. The LMS480C (color) would be nice, you can see better in bright sun with colors, waypoints can be mark in red so they stand out. My preference is Lowrance, others might be incline toward the other brands. I believes Lowrance was designed to take full advantage of what Navionics has to offer. You can zoom as far as a particular map lets you (i.e. down to 1ft depth contour). The lakes that are what Navionics called "high definition surveyed" will show you everything that you needs to know. 1ft depth contour, stumps, brushpiles, rockpiles, humps, creek channels, old house foundations, road beds, old bridges. My graph is as important as outboard and trolling motor, if one of them is not working then the boat is not leaving the garage.
 

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Re: ? quality of these fish maps ?

The maps for Seneca lake and Caugua lake are acurate for the info. u require... I own them both and the boat launch info. has not changed. For fishing Seneca launch at Roy's so u can the low down and bait if required. I have been out pulling copper in the mornings with excelent results!!! Start early enough that u need boat lights on still and look for ur fish in 45' to 70' of water. Bass fish the evenings as the trout fishing has been very slow. As far as Caugua run small purple and black spoons/stickbaits for browns, rainbows, landlock and expect to find lakers at all depths. Stop at Barry's bait and tackle [rt. 5 & 20 north of ur stay it's on ur way to Caugua] and get the skinny on Bass fishing locations for The Big C!!! Also I was at Barry's today and was sad to hear Bass Pro is putting them out of buisness!!! All inventory is 25% to 50% off and mainly geared toward Bass fishing... Stop in for some great deals!!!:cool:
Also don't go by the locations givin in those maps for fishing... to many variables change over the years. Structure is okay such as steep drop offs but ur best bet is to ask the guys at the local marina/bait shops for the latest hot spots!!!
Where is Roy's?
 

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Give me a break . . . looking for a fish finder GPS . . . there are so many models and features, it's a full time job sorting it out!

Here is what I have so far for units in the 400-600 range . . . Like the Lowrance LMS 520: definitely the best screen 5 inches square and feature packed. But Lowrance does not provide a base map installed where Garmin and Humminbird does. Lowrance screws around with you as to some units come with transducers and others don't. Some come with Internal Antennas and others don't. Too many choices IMO. Also Lowance has the worst fastening system of the 3 for quick removal. Also costs another $25-35 for a swivel mount.

Garmin comes a with swivel mount and a sweet one sided knob that you turn and the unit comes off. Great for tight spaces like I have.

But Humminbird has the best design IMO since one button releases the whole unit wire connections and all. This is a plus on my open boat which I trailer. I'd like to pop off the unit especially if I go into a restaurant. I don't want to leave $400-600 sitting on my open dash.

Also I just measured the space on top of my console and windshield which only gives me a tight 7 inches wide. I might lean towards a Humminbird that has a 5 inch screen but the unit is narrow like the model I have now.

You can also get a packaged Hummingbird model that has the same enhanced maps that Lowrance uses to save a few bucks that way.

Garmin is also IMO better than the Lowrance's since they are pre-installed with a base map for the whole country. For $100-150 you can add Nav maps to either Lowrance or Humminbird but it ticks me off the Lowrance has no base map to start on the units in that price range. All of Garmins have pre-loaded base maps.

Lowrance worries me that they were recently sold to another company too.

Here is a good site for comparing that shows all the various units available: http://www.wmjmarine.com/gpsfico.html

I don't need to reach high depths like 900 feet in fresh water. So I think I can drop down various models to save a few bucks there.

I'm leaning to an internal antenna since it's on an open dash. I would think external is more for when your head unit is installed in a cabin etc.

So far as I weigh out my needs the new Hummingbird units seem to fit my bill. I like the Garmins, but their screens on the lower priced units can't touch the Lowrance 400 and 500 series color models and most are 5 inch where Garmin's are 4 inch in the same price range.

Garmins and their Blue Chart G2 cards also include the Hudson River and Lake Champlain which are the two must have maps for me. I don't think Lowrance even has those on their $150 enhanced maps. At least it was listed in their lake coverage. Seems I get the whole country but not the lakes I need.

I think Humminbird uses those same cards though.

Not many GPS/Fishfinder reviews on the web either so my search continues.
 

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I just bought a Lowrance LMS 520C this spring. Transducer included. At Bass Pro it was $550 and came with 10,000 inland lake maps built in. Navionics chip was $200 for the Great Lakes region which includes all the Great Lakes and St Lawrence Seaway all the way to the Atlantic. Internal or External GPS antena was my choice for the same price. So far I've got lake maps for any lake in Michigan that has a public boat launch. The only thing I didn't like was no swivel mount and if you want to pull the unit it is a bit of a pain but when I do an ovenighter I usually sleep in the boat (I'm frugal not cheap!). I went to a GPS unit after getting lost on Lake Michigan last fall after dark, when you are a few miles out it's hard to tell where you came from! Now all I have to do is figure out how to be more productive with the walleyes!!!!! Whole new ball game for me. And salmon season is coming too.
 

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Re: ? quality of these fish maps ?

I just bought a Lowrance LMS 520C this spring. Transducer included. At Bass Pro it was $550 and came with 10,000 inland lake maps built in. Navionics chip was $200 for the Great Lakes region which includes all the Great Lakes and St Lawrence Seaway all the way to the Atlantic. Internal or External GPS antena was my choice for the same price. So far I've got lake maps for any lake in Michigan that has a public boat launch. The only thing I didn't like was no swivel mount and if you want to pull the unit it is a bit of a pain but when I do an ovenighter I usually sleep in the boat (I'm frugal not cheap!). I went to a GPS unit after getting lost on Lake Michigan last fall after dark, when you are a few miles out it's hard to tell where you came from! Now all I have to do is figure out how to be more productive with the walleyes!!!!! Whole new ball game for me. And salmon season is coming too.

Thx for your reply. I've seen that unit at "over priced" West Marine on display for $649. That's where I saw how crisp the Lowrance screen was to all the other units. And 5 inches too as compared to similar priced smaller screen Garmin units.

But for me I think it's as you say: The Lowrance disconnect knobs are their worst feature if one needs to take it off frequently. I keep my boat on a trailer under cover in my back yard and I can't leave the unit on the dash.

Without question the Humminbirds have the best release system. My dash space for the unit is tight. Less than 7 inches between the side of the windshield and the side of the gauge cluster dome. Even now with my small Humminbird Piranna fishfinder I have to squeeze my fingers in to turn the knob and free it up.

I could possible get by with the Garmin's 1 knob release because the Garmins Swivel, as do I think the Humminbirds.

I've always used a handheld GPS on my boats as I've found you can go just a few hundreds yards from the shore and everything looks the same. Let alone when a light mist or a fog rolls in . . .

Most Lowrance units come with what they call a global base map which is not very detailed and pretty much useless for my needs, mostly just the shorelines. From what I saw there was not much detail as compared to what the Garmin's come with. So buying a Lowrance one needs to also spring for the Nav maps for another $150 just to turn the unit on! True some of the more expensive Lowrances do come bundled now with higher detailed maps but you pay up for them.

Here is what I'm down to:
1. Need color, with better than average resolution

2. Internal antenna preferred

3. Larger screen, I like 5 inches but can't have the overall case wider than 6.5 inches.

4. Dual Transducer included

5. Optional higher detailed cards like fishing hot spots that show bottom structure, marinas and boat launches. I think Garmin has these types of optional cards, more so than Lowrance for the lakes I need.

6. I think Humminbird uses the same cards as Lowrance does unfortunately.

7. I need detailed maps of the NY Hudson River and Lake Champlain.

8. Would like to stay near the $500 price range (excluding the extra cost of the optional maps).

I also have a problem with all these Lowrance/Eagle models . . . They should combine these brands as it's too confusing now.
 

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I agreed that the Lowrances are not for disconnecting all the time and the quik-disconnect from Humminjunk (I owns one) is the most convienience plus it swivels 360 degrees. For the price ranges you're looking at, every brand will come with a complete package, everything you needs for installation. Go to this link, for NY state the high def lakes are Champ, George, Oneida, and Seneca. It does have the Hudson river. Even the non high def ones are still as good as any paper map. The majority of maps that show contour, land or water are taken from the U.S Geological Surveys. Lowrance used existing data with their own surveys with private satellite for the high def lakes.

http://www.navionics.com/PremiumLakeList_07.asp?RegionID=3
 

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I have bought fishing maps at fishing maps.com. aprox 3'x3' high quility gloss paper maps. they give depths underwater obstructions boat access etc. even give history of area your fishing and type of fish there and where the honey holes are. they also ship the same day. Even if you have one of those expensive plotters a backup is a very important.:)
 

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Re: ? quality of these fish maps ?

I have bought fishing maps at fishing maps.com. aprox 3'x3' high quility gloss paper maps. they give depths underwater obstructions boat access etc. even give history of area your fishing and type of fish there and where the honey holes are. they also ship the same day. Even if you have one of those expensive plotters a backup is a very important.:)

Good point on the back up with paper maps. I emailed the company "with no response back" for the publish date and a sample of what I'd be buying..
 

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I agreed that the Lowrances are not for disconnecting all the time and the quik-disconnect from Humminjunk (I owns one) is the most convienience plus it swivels 360 degrees. For the price ranges you're looking at, every brand will come with a complete package, everything you needs for installation. Go to this link, for NY state the high def lakes are Champ, George, Oneida, and Seneca. It does have the Hudson river. Even the non high def ones are still as good as any paper map. The majority of maps that show contour, land or water are taken from the U.S Geological Surveys. Lowrance used existing data with their own surveys with private satellite for the high def lakes.

http://www.navionics.com/PremiumLakeList_07.asp?RegionID=3

I saw that link in my review searches. Looks like some Humminbirds accept those same Nav Hotmap cards which would be a plus. And yes, it looks like all the lakes I need are on that East card.

Lowrance or Garmin also has a lock for their release system. I wonder if Humminbird does too. Because if it pops off that quick, someone could also nail it right off the boat when I'm just stopped at a light!
 
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