pvc water supply pipes

qaztwo

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I'm redoing my kitchen walls and windows in my home. I figured I might as well redo the plumping to, it’s the old galvanized stuff. I was at the local home supply store about to buy some copper pipe when I notice some pvc stuff, or something similar to it. Has anyone ever used this stuff before, and know about any of the pros and cons of using it. I've only used copper before and love the fact that its virtually maintenances free, but most of the work will be in the two foot tall crawl space and a jar of glue is a lot easier to work with then a torch.
 

tcube

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Re: pvc water supply pipes

two - Last couple of houses I've lived in had PVC plumbing. Aside from being a bit noiser than copper and cast iron drains, I couldn't tell the difference. Well, that is until I wanted to do some runs myself PVC is very easy to work with.
 

sangerwaker

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Make sure you only use CPVC for hot water supply lines. Plumbing PVC is white, CPVC is an off white color, almost tan, and is smaller in outside diameter than regular PVC. CPVC is, I think, rated to 180 degreess F. Regular PVC would melt far below that temp.
 

qaztwo

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thats the stuff cpvc. Tcube when you say noise do the pipes bag alot, how about the taste. Does the water taste the same.
 

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Might grounding be an issue if you interrupt a galvanized system with plastic? i.e., do you need to check whether the old system is used for grounding and put in a jumper wire if so?
 

kd6nem

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What works great for your lawn sprinklers might not be quite so great once the wall is all sealed up. Yes it works fine and is easier to work, but don't think you can cut corners. So long as local code says it is OK, go for it.<br /><br />Try to ventilate the work area best as you can if you think the fumes from the glue might build up. (Not good to breathe if you value your brain cells & if allowed to accumulate enough could ignite somehow) CPVC for hot water is absolutely correct. Regular PVC will soften and let go if warm enough. Use Sch 80 for both hot and cold- CPVC and PVC- if you want a little extra margin of safety, both for the pipe and fittings. Especially the fittings. The pipe is cheap so might as well upgrade that too. Clean the pipe/fittings first, and deburr the pipe thoroughly. Always use the appropriate CPVC/PVC primer and fresh glue to give you a chance for a good tight joint. Yes the primer does help a bunch, and gives several seconds longer to work the joint. And let cure according to directions. By the way, Sch 80's inside diameter is naturally smaller because the walls are thicker, so max flow is slightly less, though in most places won't usually matter.<br /><br /><br />I ran a bunch of Sch 80 PVC for ultrapure medical (dialysis) grade water as well as chemical solutions, in sizes from 1/2" to 1 1/2". We ran it up as high as 120 PSI @ 80 deg. F. It has been run 12+ hours a day six days a week for 15 years, so it must be OK. :eek: The properly glued joints never gave us a bit of problem, although threaded is good to avoid where possible, especially inside walls! Teflon tape threaded joints, never use pipe dope on plastic fittings. I suggest that if any inline valves are used, don't get too cheap. I preferred true union ball valves if they were used enough to ever need replacing- never had to cut & glue to replace. If your pipes tend to rattle (water-hammer) then fix that first with an air reservoir; a dead leg stub pointing up teed into a horizontal run with enough volume to trap sufficient air- the air pressurizes because of water pressure & acts as a pressure buffer. A couple or three feet of 3/4" or 1" would probably help a lot if you actually have this issue. Plumbing can take a beating from water-hammer if bad enough and left long enough. This is true for any setup, but no less so plastic.
 

qaztwo

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It was, when I took out the old knob and tube wiring I installed a grounding rod outside.
 

Mark42

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The only drawback I heard of is that the hot water line will eventually sag between supports.
 

dhammann

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PEX (cross-linked polyethylene) is an excellent alternative for copper. It is flexible and is rated at 100psi at 180 degrees F. No glue is needed but you have to buy a crimping tool for around $100. PEX won’t corrode away from minerals or electrolysis like copper will. The only limitation is that you cannot expose it to direct sunlight.
 

tcube

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two - no banging - I just think you can hear the water running thru plastic more than thru copper. CPVC drain pipes are much noiser than cast iron. Taste - I can't tell the difference.
 

ED21

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Originally posted by tcube:<br /> CPVC drain pipes are much noiser than cast iron. Taste - I can't tell the difference.
I'll take your word on that. :)
 

Ben Konopacky

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If you are doing a whole re do ,go like Big Dee sugests PEX ,less fittings ,approx 80% cost of cu.,no glue,some supply houses will rent you the sweageing tool to streach the tube.its almost like running BX except for the terminal ends..
 

qaztwo

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Thanks for the input. I'm sorry to say I chicken out of the plastic and went with copper, maybe the next house I try it. Luckily its a small house only a single bath and kitchen so it didn't set me back to far. <br />Thanks again for the input.
 

Mark42

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Qaztwo,<br /><br />You made a good decision. Where I live new homes are going up left and right. Not one of the developers has used plastics in the water supply lines. Given the choice, I will go with copper until plastics are the prefered material, and not from a cost point of view.<br /><br />Mark.
 

dhammann

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PEX is actually more expensive. It has been used in Europe for over 30 years and is well proven. Where I live copper pipes will erode and develop pinholes in about 5 years. The PEX is also more resistant to freeze damage.
 

kd6nem

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PEX can be heat disinfested in ultrapure applications, too. Really neat stuff. Flexible enough to require few joints in long runs- rolls out like a stiff hose. I wouldn't have any problem using it.
 

heyttown

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Not to mention in the crawl space with the changing of the season, you will get expanding and contracting.
 
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