Prop for 1977 15hp Evinrude 2 cycle

davkrat

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Re: Prop for 1977 15hp Evinrude 2 cycle

Got it back together first try no leaks. We'll see how the decarb, cam adjustment and fuel pump rebuild does in the morning :)

Should have a new prop next week to try as well.
 

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Re: Prop for 1977 15hp Evinrude 2 cycle

Took the tin can out this morning and something worked for me. Not sure if it was the Sea Foam, the armature plate adjustment or the fuel pump rebuild. They always say to test one thing at a time and I went and did three. With the hydrofoil on and me solo I hit 18 mph and 5450 rpm. That's 2 mph and 200 more RPM than I have ever gotten. Also moved the trim up a notch and got more of the boat on plane. Previously the higher trim just raised the bow but the motor didn't have enough get up to get any extra speed.

After running around the lake for a hour or two I pulled over and took the hydrofoil fins off. At first with the motor trimmed out it was crazy squirrely with the nose in the air but I hit 5550 rpm and 19 mph. Finally settled on the lowest trim setting without the hydrofoil and I was able to hit 5650 rpm and 20 mph. Takes a while to get up on plane and was not riding as smooth, steering was more responsive to the point of feeling loose. I'm really looking forward to getting a jack plate built if I can get the low speed jump and plane of the foil but get it up on step enough to have the foil skimming the surface I think I'll have the best of both worlds. With the stock 10 pitch prop and just me I am just getting in to the power band, going to go ahead and order the 8 pitch prop and hopefully when fully loaded I can get up around 5650 rpm and empty get further up in to the powerband without redlining.

5650 rpm with a 10 pitch prop would get 22.2 mph with no slip. At 20 mph I am only getting 10% slip, huge improvement from 22% slip dragging the foil through the water.
 
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Re: Prop for 1977 15hp Evinrude 2 cycle

Your tach is not right 20 mph guessing 12% slip would be about 5800 rpm. I have a feeling your tach is set wrong.
Your gear ratio is 2.42. 2650 at 12% nets about 9 mph.We know your way more than that.
If your over 5000 rpm your slip may be lower than 12. A 8" prop will have better hole shot but may over rev and you may lose speed. to about 17 mph and would be way over 7000 to make about 20-22.
 

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Re: Prop for 1977 15hp Evinrude 2 cycle

The Tiny Tach froze up on me and I called to see about resetting it. Did the knife blade jumper reset and then was told to try only one wrap on the wire which is what I used yesterday.

5650 rpm * 10" / 2.42 / 1056 = 22.11 mph

If I was hitting 20 mph I was only getting about 10% slip 20/22.2 = .9009

I'm using the formula I found on here somewhere. Is that not the right formula?

I only want the 8" 4 blade for duck hunting on a shallow river with a couple fat guys and a bunch of gear in the boat. Hoping to be able to hop up a load at slower speeds and not drag the bottom. Switching props is a piece of cake I'll just do it the night before. One for duck season and for fishing season.
 
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I use "propeller calculator" a green page by polson industries.Put in any 4 of 5 numbers and it figures the 5th one.
I did a google search using propeller calculator
Your calculation is right I got 5679 using the prop calculator and 10% slip at 20.
If your running the prop from 1977 I think just changing to a new Solas Amita or Rubex in the same size could improve your numbers.
You may want to try it with your heavy load before a 8" prop.Put your passenger in the bow if necessary until you plane.
No doubt a 8" will help hole shot but may be a little slower.
 

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Re: Prop for 1977 15hp Evinrude 2 cycle

No idea if it is the original prop. Bought it earlier last year from my mom's neighbor who bought it from someone else about 10 years earlier. Who knows but it definitely could use replacing. Thinking the 4 blade 8" and maybe a stainless 3 blade 10". I've heard that stainless is a waste on smaller motors and conversely that it can be life changing LOL! The Solas SS is only $40-$50 more than aluminum, I'm willing to gamble that much for my WOT run around the reservoir not likely to run in to anything prop.

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP!
 

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Re: Prop for 1977 15hp Evinrude 2 cycle

No idea if it is the original prop. Bought it earlier last year from my mom's neighbor who bought it from someone else about 10 years earlier. Who knows but it definitely could use replacing. Thinking the 4 blade 8" and maybe a stainless 3 blade 10". I've heard that stainless is a waste on smaller motors and conversely that it can be life changing LOL! The Solas SS is only $40-$50 more than aluminum, I'm willing to gamble that much for my WOT run around the reservoir not likely to run in to anything prop.

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP!

Let's 1st get the misinformation straightened out.

New that motor made 120-125psiMax with a good gauge. We sold more than enough to know.

Once the compression drops much below 100, it can be hard starting and not idle low. How's yours'?
You probably have a bad gauge. If the shraeder valve is in the wrong place, you'll get low readings.
If your 1st pull is yielding a quick 65psi, that's good. suspect gauge.
A decarb or 2 is great. Once the ports get carbon on them, you can lose considerable power and of course rings.

From your picture, your carb throttle plate was not fully open. Now when you pulled out the cam follower by hand, it was opened too much, which begins to close it.
The throttle plate is correctly fully opened, when the roll pin is vertical to the motor. As you are aware, the 2 throttle cam bolts allow, low speed link and sync, and full throttle opening.

Onto the props. Some of the props i have seen for those, are horribly thick and poorly shaped.
If you go with the SS Saturn, we have found a drop in pitch is needed as all the ones we've seen are cupped - even the small ones. And I believe slightly progressive pitched.

I think they are great Props and a bargain at $127 and frankly may do it all for you.
With cup, it can be mounted higher and trimmed out further. Nice thin blades, slight progressive pitch - quick with best top end.

I'm going to say go with the 9" and 23mph light, no fin, trimmed. Don't mark it up - iboats will accept an AS NEW - return.

Just an fyi - the 150/200rpm per inch change in pitch is useless when dealing with small pitch sizes, because the percentage of pitch changes so drastically, the change can easily be 5-800rpm change.

For the shallows, you can run the motor trimmed down (mounted high) - maybe add the fin...
Longer trips trim out no fin, still motor mounted high.

For others in your situation, please post back with results...no debt of gratitude, rather debt of closing out your post.LOL
 

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Yeah the gauge I rented had horrible O-rings. I just used it real quick, returned it to Autozone and got my money back. Thinking about buying my own but if it runs fine who cares.

I hear you on the percentage changes with the smaller pitches. I read a post on another forum where a 9" pitch stainless on the same motor got very high RPM's and awesome speed. Can't afford to try them all LOL!
 

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Yeah the gauge I rented had horrible O-rings. I just used it real quick, returned it to Autozone and got my money back. Thinking about buying my own but if it runs fine who cares.

I hear you on the percentage changes with the smaller pitches. I read a post on another forum where a 9" pitch stainless on the same motor got very high RPM's and awesome speed. Can't afford to try them all LOL!

Which post are you referring to?

Not sure what you mean by trying them all. I only suggested one.

It's too bad yours' isn't a Suzuki 15, we have a 9-1/4 x 9" sitting in the shop from trade. Solas uses the same props for most of these, just changes out the hub.

Just an fyi, It (9" Solas Saturn) ran to 30mph(gps) on a very light zodiac using every trick in the book and a 200lb tester. Progressive pitch (incl cupped) props behave like different pitches at varying rpm and load.

Frankly, the Holy Grail of most setups.
 

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Re: Prop for 1977 15hp Evinrude 2 cycle

I had a discussion with a guy some time ago about small motors have only a few props so must make up more rpm per size.So where is the cut off point for the small engine to go above the old rule of thumb 150 to 200 rpm per inch. I would guess about 30 hp??
 
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I know you were only suggesting one. I meant all of the various pitches, materials and number of blades. I was planing on a SS 10" 3 blade and a Aluminum 8" 4 blade. In the Solas line I see everything from 5" 4 blade to a 11" stainless. Probably make 20 different props that fit that motor.
 

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Well it only took 15 months but I finally had a chance to try out some different props. Last year I only went out on the lake once. $80 annual pass made that the most expensive launch fee I hope to ever see!

I ordered two Solas aluminum props. A 4 blade 9.25X8" and a 3 blade 9.25X10". I first ran the boat with the original old beat up 3 blade 9.50"X10". The result were pretty promising. Might just stick with the 4 blade 8 pitch. The hole shot was ridiculous, got me right in the middle of the power band, did not over rev with me solo. All these numbers were with the hydrofoil removed. I'm going to go back out with the fin on and see if it changes anything. It would be interesting to see what the boat would do with me solo and the 10 pitch but I have my kids with me 99.9999% of the time. I really expected that the 3 blade 10" was going to be the ticket and the 4 blade 8" would only see use if I had a second adult.

The old 3 blade 9.25" X 10":
Kids midship in seats - 5050 rpm 13 mph 34.76% slip
Kids on bow - 5120 rpm 15 mph 25.75% slip

Solas 3 blade 9.25" X 10":
Kids midship in seats - 5169 rpm 15 mph 26% slip
Kids in bow - 5220 rpm 16 mph 22% slip

Solas 4 blade 9.25" X 8"
Kids midship in seat - 5620 rpm 15 mph 15% slip
Kids in bow - 5850 rpm 17 mph 8% slip
Me solo - 6170 rpm 19 mph 2.4% slip

Think I might trade back the 9.25"X10" and see if a 9" pitch wouldn't work better? Think my old motor is just a little too tired to spin the standard 10" prop anymore.
 

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A killing overdose of Power Tuner will surely restore the lost power of that tired horse. Follow can instructions. If you always boat with your kids try a prop that will put your wot rpm around middle to max rpm. That engine should rev around 6K.

Happy Boating
 

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I Sea Foamed it last year. Sure it couldn't hurt to do it again. INolan on playing with it a bit to see if it runs a little better with the fin on it again. I weigh 285 so I'm sure it struggles to lift the rear end.
 

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I'd be more inclined to buy or make a tiller extension. to get your 280 lbs in the middle seat.
Its interesting that when new the 9.9 and 15 used the same base prop.The 15 just revved higher.
The 74 15 was rated at 6500.9.9 at 5,000.
 
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