Pro-terrorist, Pro-abortion, Pro-bad stuff

jtexas

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> So...if I am against the killing of the unborn and believe that it should be stopped because it is murder, then it naturally follows that I want to abolish most of the Bill of Rights.<br /><br />Wow. I learn new things about myself every day. I wish I had always known this.
I'm really surprised to learn that you favor abolishment of most of the Bill of Rights. You mean you seriously didn't already know this about yourself? I'm curious how you found out about it.
 

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Quote by swamp nut:(self edit deleted the word "numb", and the letter "s")<br /><br /><br />"Like I do, but that wasn't the subject. We were talking about removing a parasite from an unwilling host. That's all it is until it becomes a "child" and can exist on its own."<br /><br />In order to keep my blood pressure down, I figure Ill post only one reply.What a shame that we dont have retroactive abortion.An unborn child is a parasite? :confused:
 

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swampnut, no matter how scientifically or grammatically correct that might or might not be, I would be surprised to learn that a person of your apparent intellect would not realize how very, very inflamatory it would be.
 

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I'm not religious but I'll throw my lot in with the anti-abortion crowd. <br /> Calling it pro-choice is a way to disguise what it truly is. It is not pro choice by any stretch. It's pro abortion. It's not about a womans right or a womans body it's about an unborn child that's not allowed to live.
 

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br /> I'm not religious but I'll throw my lot in with the anti-abortion crowd. <br /> Calling it pro-choice is a way to disguise what it truly is. It is not pro choice by any stretch. It's pro abortion. It's not about a womans right or a womans body it's about an unborn child that's not allowed to live.
Are you speaking for a group you're not a part of? Pro-choice is not pro-abortion. To say a person is "pro-abortion" is a pretty nasty thing to say about a person. A very, very small portion of the pro-choice crowd is truly pro-abortion. It's a gross misstatement.
 

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It is a woman's right to control her body & fruits thereof....Not mine, yours, republicans, democrats, shiites,buddists, protestants, et al....Without a vessel, nothing will happen....Fill it or empty it, as you choose, woman!<br />I always get upset when a bunch of fat, bald,impotent or ugly men wish to dictate what a woman can do with her own body......How presumptious..... :mad: ......JK<br />To try & control that which you really have a small part in, initially!
 

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What you guys both said is a bunch of crap and you know it. I'm talking about something specific within a generality and you're talking about something general. A woman is not God and should not have the right to decide to end a life she participated in creating. Call an apple an apple. You guys have been pushing that spin since the 70's.
 

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Who's talking about "discovery of a crime?" Seems to me we are talking about definitions. And I want to know specifically which of the first ten Amendments you claim has to be abbrogated, and specifically how!
Maybe if you actually read Roe vs. Wade, you would understand what I'm saying. If you're going to fight something, get educated on it. A woman has a right to privacy between her and her doctor. "...the court declared the abortion statutes void as vague and overbroadly infringing those plaintiffs' Ninth and Fourteenth Amendment rights."<br /><br />In order to discover the "crime" of an abortion, you must remove the privacy that you share with a doctor. Otherwise, making abortion illegal is impossible, because whatever services you receive from your doctor are not for the public or police to know about. <br /><br />
An unborn child is a parasite?
A growing mass of cells inside a woman draining sustenance from her is, by every scientific definition, a parasite. If she wants it removed, it's her right. If it can survive without her, great.
 

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A woman is not God and should not have the right to decide to end a life she participated in creating.
If it is a "life," how about just removing it and placing it on the table to see if it survives on its own or not?
 

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You all say what you want, but the real loser is the children of this Country.<br />My, what they have to look forward to as they grow up.
 

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Originally posted by SBN:<br /> You all say what you want, but the real loser is the children of this Country.<br />My, what they have to look forward to as they grow up.
Yeah SBN, but, if these people have their way, we wont have to worry about as many children growing up. :( <br /><br /><br /> quote by swamp nut :An unborn child is a parasite?<br /><br />"A growing mass of cells inside a woman draining sustenance from her is, by every scientific definition, a parasite. If she wants it removed, it's her right. If it can survive without her, great."<br /><br /><br />Nice arguement, but a child that has been carried for 9 months cant survive on its own either. So do we just kill all children, born or unborn?
 

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Pro choice is just a term to make abortion more paletable. Roe v Wade legalized abortion. It did not legalize the right to allow a baby to be born, just to be killed. Women always had the right to give birth. Pro life is not to kill. Pro choice or whatever fancy term you wish to use is pro killing no matter how you slice it.
 

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what if the woman does not believe in your particular god? does she still have to live by your gods rule?<br /> I dont know the answer,<br /> my choice would be to have the child if the mothers health was not at risk, however an abortion in the first 2-3 months is strictly the person that is pregnants choice. maybe in the future medical science will grant males the chance to bear children and the fight will start all over again.<br /> my personal belief with my god is mine and I can force it on no one.<br />that would be like bombing a clinic to kill and maim in protest.
 

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I don't think it is a "god" thing. It is a caring, personal thing. After all, by your arguement, rodbolt, since God's commandment is "Thou shall not kill" then that is a god thing and should not be legislated. Scarey thinking.<br /><br />I believe a woman does have the right to chose - she can chose to keep her pants on, use birth control (knowing there are risks), or engage in an act that can lead to baby. That is her choice. It is not her right to be able to kill something that can soon be a viable life.<br /><br />Man, I was going to stay away from this post, and for the sake of my BP, I better exercise the right to do just that!
 

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Quote by aspeck:"I believe a woman does have the right to chose - she can chose to keep her pants on, use birth control (knowing there are risks), or engage in an act that can lead to baby. That is her choice. It is not her right to be able to kill something that can soon be a viable life."<br /><br /><br />More profound words were never spoken my friend.
 

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I'm with you speck, you all carry on.
 

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Originally posted by SwampNut:<br />
Who's talking about "discovery of a crime?" Seems to me we are talking about definitions. And I want to know specifically which of the first ten Amendments you claim has to be abbrogated, and specifically how!
Maybe if you actually read Roe vs. Wade, you would understand what I'm saying. If you're going to fight something, get educated on it. A woman has a right to privacy between her and her doctor. "...the court declared the abortion statutes void as vague and overbroadly infringing those plaintiffs' Ninth and Fourteenth Amendment rights."<br /><br />In order to discover the "crime" of an abortion, you must remove the privacy that you share with a doctor. Otherwise, making abortion illegal is impossible, because whatever services you receive from your doctor are not for the public or police to know about. <br /><br />
An unborn child is a parasite?
A growing mass of cells inside a woman draining sustenance from her is, by every scientific definition, a parasite. If she wants it removed, it's her right. If it can survive without her, great.
Roe v. Wade was the product of an activist court. An activist court could find ways to justify just about anything or any activity it chooses. The court has a history of bad decisions, and some get overturned. Just because there is a doctrine of confidentiality between doctor and patient does not mean that it is right to allow anything they mutually agree on to take place. <br /><br />As far as calling an unborn child a parasite goes, the survival of the human species depends on allowing the survival of the fetus. Classifying the fetus as a parasite is not appropriate and is a bit disingenuous.
 

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if it were only that easy, by that logic the man has a choce to, keep his friggen pants zipped.<br /> however once the child is capeable of survival outside the womb, not nessasarily born just capeable of survival even with medical assistance in societies eyes its now a viable human being and is now subject to the rules of society.<br /> but at 2 months its a god issue.<br /> myself my personal beliefs are mine and Aspeck is wrong to assume anything about me and any commandments.<br /> I am not sure where Aspeck came up with it but not from me.<br /> after years of dealing with family friends that had abortions when young I can tell you it leave psyhcological scars that dont go away on many people both male and female.<br />but if a woman finds she is 2 months along and wishes to abort thats between her,her doki tari and what ever god she believes in. not societies, at 7 months its becoming societies issue as wellas her and the doki tari.<br /> our society says thou shalt not kill yet most chritian even the rabid ones like pat robertson support the death penalty but fail to see the irony. same as some of the preachers diaries you read during the civil war where the morning service prayed for gods aid in killing his enemies was said on the union side in the morning and the confereate side in the evening.<br /> which side was gods enemy?<br /> answer that and Ill vote for you afor president.
 

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br /> What you guys both said is a bunch of crap and you know it. I'm talking about something specific within a generality and you're talking about something general. A woman is not God and should not have the right to decide to end a life she participated in creating. Call an apple an apple. You guys have been pushing that spin since the 70's.
I see, it's the old "my way or the highway" argument. "I'm right because I'm right."<br /><br />You are God? You are claiming to be omniscient, to know what I am thinking. I guess if you are God, that's how you know that a woman isn't God?<br /><br />Are you making a moral judgement, an ethical judgement, or a legal judgement?
 
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