Pressure washers?

airdvr1227

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Something I noticed last season. The "walkaround' deck on our boat is really narrow on the sides under the flybridge. Cleaning the side of the boat that is against the dock is no problem however, the opposite side is a PITA. Since the area to stand is so limited it's almost impossible to get a scrub brush on the areas that need cleaned. I see some folks using pressure washers on their boats to keep them clean. I'm considering doing the same.

Any pros and cons?

Picture attached is not my rig but it gives you the idea of how little space there is to walk on.
 

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Scott Danforth

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I wouldn't use more than 800 psi and a turbo tip.it will take off any decals you have
 

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What about pulling straight in for cleaning to put the dirty side against the dock and then back her in after the deck is clean.
 

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Yes while it works good to get the crud off, depending on the age of your boat and your location using a pressure washer on your gelcoat can be the root cause of gelcoat blisters.
It forces water into the pores of the gelcoat and with repeated application gradually pushes the gelcoat free of the fiberglass substrate. This can be exasserbated by freezing and thawing cycles because after the water is pushed in there and the temperature drops below 32?F the water expands and freezes in place.
This will USUALLY occur at the point of least resistance which in this case will be between the gelcoat and the fiberglass because that is the point where the bond is weakest.
The age of your boat matters also because alot of higher end boat builders are now running a THICK final coat of gelcoat in the mold and laying either chop strand mat or the mat side of 1708 over the gelcoat before it kicked off and then laying a hot coat of resin over that so that the transition between gelcoat and resin is bridged by a chemical bond AND fiberglass. It takes more time and you use more gelcoat but you get what you pay for and I guarantee 30+ years down the road boats built in this manner won't have a single gelcoat bubble no matter how much abuse they've seen.
So yea don't do it. If you have bad stains in hard to reach places use muratic acid instead you'll LOVE the results and your boat will NEVER be any cleaner just follow the precautions and don't use it near a body of water without neutralizing it with baking soda before you rinse it off.
Keep it away from any metal parts and make SURE you wax the area after you rinse off the acid/ baking soda.
And to be on the safe side AWAYS neutralize the acid with baking soda.
 

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Using a pressure washer does not increase the chance of blistering.

Blisters don't normally form at the interface of the gel coat and laminate, most are in the laminate itself, although they can form in the gel coat, or at the interface, these two locations are less likely. They do not put anything (mat or 1708) over the gel coat before it cures, the gel coat needs to cure first. Nor do they hot coat anything, that is a big no no.

Thick gel coat is not recommended, gel coat should be about 20 mils thick, hulls are sometimes up to 25 mils, much thicker and cracking becomes an issue. Gel coat thickness recommendations have never changed, although sloppy workmanship leads to thicknesses both over and under the recommended amount.

The key to no blisters is using the correct products in the correct way, which has become much more common in the last 15 or more years. These guidlines haven't changed much in 30 plus years, it's just that more builders follow the rules now.
 
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You could use an electric pressure washer. I do once the boat is out of the water. The spray pattern in my Husky washer is adjustable... the narrower you set it, the more powerful it is. If you use a wide pattern the force is much, much less.

I'll throw out another possibility, a 'power nozzle' that attaches to your garden hose like this one (there are many)

http://www.lowes.com/pd_98050-40883-...6-b29723e58be4

Fill the cup with your boat wash detergent and let 'er rip. I haven't personally tried one, but it seems like it should work pretty well. Kinda glad you posed the question. My side decks are as narrow as yours, and yeah, it's a PITA to get up there. Maybe I'll try one of those things myself next season.

My .02
 
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airdvr1227

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Originally posted by GA_Boater View Post
What about pulling straight in for cleaning to put the dirty side against the dock and then back her in after the deck is clean.

This was going to be my suggestion as well.

It's an unusual day that the wind isn't blowing pretty good on Lake Erie, and blowing me off the dock to boot. Although it seems simple, in practice it's much more challenging. I have my hands full just getting her into the dock without calling my insurance guy :facepalm:
 

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The boat looks pretty stable and not moving around in the pic, :doh:

I wasn't sure about your docking situation. Life is nothing but challenges, but I don't want you to put Flo or the guy in khakis on speed dial either. :smile:

I would look at one of the electric pressure washers then, as recommended above. Powerful enough to clean without tearing things up.
 

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As someone who owns a pressure washing company, the best advise I can give is to use common sense with a pressure washer. When used properly, there is nothing better for cleaning purposes. With the proper pressure washer and chemical application, it can be as easy as spraying a chemical on with a pressure washer and rinsing it off with a pressure washer. With that being said, a small tutorial for anyone that wants to purchase a pressure washer and use it for cleaning a boat.

Purchase:

There are two performance factors to look at, volume and psi. Manufacturers will push psi as the only thing to look at. The comparison that I use is an electric paint sprayer and a fire hose. The paint sprayer will put out 5000 psi but if you load it with water, not a whole lot of cleaning will be done. The fire hose will put out only 60psi, but the volume is what does the work. You will do a lot more cleaning with a fire hose than a paint sprayer. You need to find the right balance of pressure and volume. For boat cleaning, a pressure washer in the 1500psi range at 2-3 gallons per minute will do the trick. If the machine is rated for higher psi, that is fine as the pressure is adjustable simply by switching to a bigger nozzle (anyone with any questions on dialing in the pressure and volume, pm me and I will gladly help). Don't use the knob on the machine, as that lowers the volume coming out. You want to maintain the volume and lower the psi, not as difficult as it sounds.

With a boat, you will use chemicals to clean. Just using straight water out of the pressure washer is a terrible idea for cleaning purposes. Look at the chemical injector options on what you purchase. With the chemicals you use to clean a boat, I would definitely recommend what is referred to as a downstream injector. What this means is that the chemical is added to the water after the pump, and not before. The seals inside the pump are not very chemical resistant and improper use of chemicals in the pump will cause a pump failure, even as early as 10-15 minutes of use. The other option is a foam attachment at the end of the wand. This will inject the chemical and mix it with air right at the nozzle, resulting in a foam cannon to apply the chemical. The only problem I have run into with these attachments is wind and sun. The chemical dries quicker (never a good thing to let chemicals dry before rinsing) and it blows all over the place in a strong nough breeze.

The last thing is accessories. Make sure that the wand that you receive can accept different attachments. There are flexible nozzles, extension wands, adjustable stream nozzles, turbo nozzles (never use on a boat), and more accessories that I couldn't possibly list. This gives you the flexibility to clean any size and shape boat you can imagine.

So to recap, psi and volume, chemical application, and accessories.

The ideal pressure washer will probably run +-$300 for the best cleaning performance (either gas or electric, pluses and minuses to both). After you have dialed in the pressure washer, chemicals, accessories, and process you use to clean your boat, a boat that size I can do sides, canvas, and deck in about 35 minutes. My open bow sea ray I have down to a science and can knock that thing out on a trailer in under 15 minutes, inside and out.

I have several other tips and procedures on chemicals, processes, what to do and what not to do. If you are interested in anything or need brand recommendations, pm me and let me know.
 

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Attwood (biodegradeable) hull cleaner works like a charm. I think it's actually made by Starbrite. I tried my pressure washer and it still left brown stains. Attwood hull cleaner took it completely off and it's safe for the environment.
 

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Pressure washing will get any and all loose stuff off, but nothing is going to replace soapy water and a brush to remove that last layer of grime. Unless of course you go a bit too far... Back in '08 I used a steam cleaner on the bottom of the houseboat. That's when I learned how tough calcium, old bottom paint and coal tar epoxy really is. While 220? water at 4800 psi removed almost all traces of bottom growth, it wouldn't budge the calcium or paint unless there was some rust between them and the hull. I was amazed. Almost as much as when I tried it on my pickup truck... One quick pull of the handle and it peeled off the clearcoat as easy as you could ask for... ouch.

As for buying an electric, I have a 2700psi Generac and a 1500psi electric. The electric is okay, and it's convenient if you have power, but it barely blows off dirt, bird poop and dead bugs. The Generac blows them off with ease, but I still have to use elbow grease to get it ALL off afterwards. Thing is, with a gas unit if you don't want so much power, just slow the engine down. Running the Generac at half speed with the 40? nozzle will barely blow a skirt up, it certainly won't hurt any stickers.. You'll have a lot more use for a 3000 psi washer you can power down to 1000 psi than you will for one that maxes out at 1500...
 

airdvr1227

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Wow! Thanks for all the advice. I'm definitely going with the smaller electric. Seems like movement would be restricted with a gas model.
 

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Low power pressure washer with a rotating turbo head. Keep it just close enough to do the job. No closer. I agree with electric.
 
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