President Kerry

18rabbit

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Bad news. Zogby has Kerry winning the election in November. Problem: of all the pollsters, Zogby is way out in the lead for accuracy, usually within 2% or 3%. Yeah, he occasionally gets one wrong, but that is by and large an exception when he does. It’s rare. I believe he has been dead-on for all major elections he has published polls for. He only polls people that actually vote.<br /><br />Kerry wins for four reasons:<br /><br />1- Right now, Kerry is leading 47% to 44% among people that actually vote.<br /><br /> * Kerry is lead by 17% in the states that voted Gore in 2000.<br /> * Bush is leading by 10% in the states that voted for him in 2000.<br /><br />2- There are very few undecided voters. This is unusual 6-months before a major election.<br /><br />3- The top three issues for people that actually vote:<br /><br /> * The most important issue – the economy – Kerry 54% to Bush 35%.<br /> * The second most important issue – the war in Iraq – Kerry 57% to Bush 36%.<br /> * The issue with third priority – war on terrorism – Kerry 30% to Bush 64%.<br /><br />4- Kerry is a good closer. He campaigns from behind and finishes strong in the last couple weeks before an election.<br /><br />Concluded Zogby: " We are unlikely to see any big bumps for either candidate because opinion is so polarized and, I believe, frozen in place. There are still six months to go and anything can still happen. But as of today, this race is John Kerry's to lose."<br /><br />--------<br /><br />You can read the whole story here:<br /><br /> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38424
 

SoulWinner

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Re: President Kerry

Wow. The proof is in. America is stupid and too lazy to educate.
 

Link

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Don't worry people. This is coming from a LT JG, their expected to make mistakes and do silly things! Not like its coming from a Chief or Commander ya know! :D <br />I think this new rating system is going to be more fun than I thought<br />Yea just heard it read on the radio a few minutes ago. :eek:
 

JB

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The only poll that counts will be taken in November. :)
 

samagee

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I always find it interesting to see people make claims to things they have not done. For instance Kerry can not have any experierence dealing with the war in Iraq as the President. He has not been there. How can people rate him on these things?<br /><br />I think we need to do something to get those who don't vote, out in the booths this year.
 

Butch Ammon

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My opinion (for whatever it's worth)....<br /><br />Kerry will flip-flop too much and shoot himself in the foot. Or be exposed as a real sleazy gold digging hypocrite (which is probably true anyhow). Thus, ensuring "W" gets to sit in the White House for 4 more years. This will set the stage for the queen beotch herself, the one, the only, the "Hildebeast"... HilLIARy Clinton. :rolleyes: She will stop at nothing to get into the White House and will get herself ready for 2008.<br /><br />Butch A.
 

oddjob

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Not to worry... Zogby used to be very accurate....before he was on the liberal take. Kerry is a joke and the Dems know it...just enjoy the free entertainnment. ;)
 

samagee

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Butch.<br /><br />If Hillary runs in 2008, so do I. Against her of course. In fact I think we should all come out of the wood work, like what happened in Cali to get rid of Gov Davis.
 

Butch Ammon

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We can only hope so.... <br /><br />I still have family up in Upstate New York. It's weird - you go around up there and ask around - people DESPISE Hillary! :mad: She got voted in only because of the liberals and democrats in NYC (and Westchester county) outnumber voters in upstate NY!!!<br /><br />Butch A.
 

18rabbit

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I heard the toe-sucker (**** Morris) on FOX news talking about this. If Bush wins this election, HilLIARy will run in 2008 with a very strong chance of winning, due to her popularity among the brain-dead. If Kerry wins this election, HilLIARy’s political career will have already reached its apex…she will never be president because she will be too old to run in 2012, her next chance.<br /><br />HilLIARy is hoping Kerry loses.<br /><br />Note: the above **** (soft-censored word) is a person's name. :confused: :confused: :confused:
 

POINTER94

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Dispite opinions to the contrary there is far to much time between now and the election for these polls to mean anything.<br /><br />The stupid and lazy will vote for whoever their friends find acceptable. The educated are still waiting for all the facts. How could anyone make a decision based on the information that is out there. No specific plans, no running mate for the challenger, Economy making a swing, interest rates fluxuating, war in Iraq changing day by day. I am sure that the apathy of the American voter can be tracked and anticipated but I would hope for a more concerted effort in understanding the positions and understanding of the gravity and responsiblity of an individuals vote. Anyone who have made up their mind already has bought into the standard "group think" mentality.
 

neumanns

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I love polls...No one has asked me nor anyone I have ever met. Have you or anyone you know ever taken part in a Poll?
 

18rabbit

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Dispite opinions to the contrary there is far to much time between now and the election for these polls to mean anything.<br />
Normally I would agree with you...but I'm not so sure this time. What caught my attention is Zogby’s mention of very few undecided voters…and that this is very unusual. Also consider the idea this election is really polarized.<br /><br />Gotta ask: Is there any chance you will change your mind on how you plan to vote? :) <br /><br />Over the years I have be called 3 times and asked if I would answer questions for political polls. First thing out of my mouth is to ask “who is funding this poll?” At that, I have been hung up on twice, and I hung up on the pollster once...they wouldn't answer the question. Never did answer any of their questions.
 

JB

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Yes there is always a chance that I will change my vote.<br /><br />On the other hand, there is no Libertarian candidate (yet), Kerry hasn't offered anything but political grandstanding, Nader is . . . um, er, (never mind) and though I disagree with my President on some important issues I agree with him on the most important issues.<br /><br />There is also a chance that Detroit will win the World Series and George Foreman will become World Heavyweight Champion for the third time. ;)
 

11 footer

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Thats no joke, JB.<br /><br /> Foreman is going to fight at least once, he'll make a fool out of some 23y/o, I can't wait :D :cool:
 

eurolarva

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Jesse Ventura is considering running for the 2008 election under the independent party. With him and Hilary running the republican party is sure to win.
 

kenimpzoom

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Why would anyone educated believe Kery could do a better job at running the economy. Hmmm.. Tax and spend...yea that will save us. Works every time.<br /><br />Right now, economy is making a good comeback. Even the high price of oil cant hold it down.<br /><br />Ken
 

snapperbait

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The only poll that counts will be taken in November.
Unless you're a voter in Florida, or if your name is the same as, or similar to, the name of a felon on Database technologies/Katherine Harris's doo-doo "scrub" list (which, btw, is over 90% in-accurate)... :rolleyes:
 

Boomyal

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Originally posted by POINTER94:<br /> The stupid and lazy will vote for whoever their friends find acceptable.
Naw Pointer, I think they will vote for whoever promises the most entitlements from the Federal coffers and whoever sugarcoats the realities of life the most. Oh, I almost forgot, mean people suck, so anyone who tells the truth (because in PC Land the truth is mean) doesn't have a chance.
 

kd6nem

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I distrust any poll that says anything of the sort. I participate in some Zogby online polls from time to time. Most seem accurate. Occasionally I find them hard to believe based on what I hear in the media and from those I know. I figure most of the media tends to exaggerate at least a little way left from neutral. When the polls make the media reports look conservative something is highly suspect. Once I sent an e-mail stating this regarding one particular online poll and I got a personal response from John Zogby himself. He didn't exactly like what I said, you could say. :p While I won't conceed my main point I will admit I was a bit hasty in some of what I said. I was impressed that he would take the time to personally chew me out a bit. Guess I got under his skin. I suppose I deserved it to a point. With online polls there are a unknown factors compared to cold calling polls. It would not be hard at all for an outside group to stack an online poll. I'm guessing this is what happened with the one I complained about since Zogby was just taking whatever audience that volunteered and since the questions were not leading. I haven't seen any obvious attempt for Zogby to deliberately spin any of their polls, but I would not say they are necessarily always right either. There is always an element of chance involved. There are a lot of other surveys out there, though, which are so leading and totally bogus. These allow people to hear what they want for a price. Those who do that are just wh*res. Polls just feed the flames of media and indirectly try to sway those who haven't "thunk things through". The bandwagon effect can be significant, unfortunately. I really don't think this one will hold up, though. IMO we have one proven leader who has delivered and one rabble rouser who has no other valid qualifications. The rabble rouser is great at pointing out problems real or imagined, but has no answers which will not cause much more damage in the end. He is way too extreme and fiscally irresponsible. The dems would have furthered their cause more by finding a more moderate player.
 
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