President Bush's speech

[rodbolt]

anyone see what he actually said? I have only seen bits and pieces of it.<br /> seems the Iraqi army is fully trained and ready to rock and roll. seems they are about fully capeable.<br /> but seems the naysars and detractors pointed out some errors in the speech.<br /> I hope they will show it in its entirity. at least his audience look enthused and 100% behind him.<br /> looked good.<br /> did anybody get a good look at the speech ?

 

[mattttt25]

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several good friends attended. not trying to troll at all, but the one comment i got back (unsolicited) was that he was confident in saying he didn't need to explain his plan but he had one and it was in motion. i don't think you'll get boos at USNA.

 

[Fly Rod]

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rodbolt!!!<br /><br />You should call the naysayers and get the real scoop and they are, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and Nancy Polarsi, I may have her name wrong but you know who I mean!!!!<br /><br />I may be wrong but it seems that you thrieve on the reverse side of what the President says or wants to do about Iraq!!! <br /><br /><br />MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!

 

[KRS]

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Howard Dean showed up on Leno (and Leno asked him about the speech), and Dean's class and character were missing, as always. I can't believe he was speaking about the President of the United States when making those comments. The man deserves no respect, and has none from me. Up remote, press button, down remote.

 

[QC]

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az,<br /><br />Tim Russert asked Howard Dean on 11/13 what the Dems plan for Iraq is. His answer was "We don't control the House, the Senate, or the White House, we have plenty of time to show Americans what our agenda is and we will long before the '06 elections." I am serious, that is a direct quote.<br /><br />Un-flippin'-believable. Sounds like my kids. My homework's not due yet, so it's not done yet and who cares anyway, and why are you pickin' on me the teacher is the stupid one.<br /><br />Somebody tell me how that is a responsible answer from the HEAD of the Democratic party?

 

[PW2]

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There was nothing new in the speech. If you think the law of averages will at some point kick in, and that simply because the administration have been completely wrong on everything else up till now regarding this war, and they must get something right sometime, you'd like the speech.<br /><br />As far as the dems go, there is not yet a uniform position, and I don't blame Dean for saying what he did. And when your opposition is self destructing all on their own, why intervene. Anyone that offers a simple resolution to this mess is either stupid or foolish or both.<br /><br />Murtha was on Hardball last nite for an extended appearance, and his plan made as much sense as anything else I have heard.<br /><br />We should not be helping Sunnis fight Shiites, or the reverse, and the insurgents need to be put down by Iraqis, and not by the US military. There is no military solution to this. Sure we can keep some semblance of order for as long as we choose to stay, and keep losing kids, but in the end, it will shake out the way it will when we finally get fed up and leave. Whether that is tomorrow, or ten years from tomorrow makes little difference.

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> As far as the dems go, there is not yet a uniform position, and I don't blame Dean for saying what he did.

It is their job to have a plan. Especially if you are NOT in power . . . Our plan is that we don't have to have a plan, because we can't do anything about it anyway. Come on. Totally irresponsible. How can you respect that position?<br /><br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br /> Sure we can keep some semblance of order for as long as we choose to stay, and keep losing kids, but in the end, it will shake out the way it will when we finally get fed up and leave. Whether that is tomorrow, or ten years from tomorrow makes little difference.

You do not know that!!! I support this war because we are fighting evil. Pure and simple. Please define what evil is evil enough for you to support armed intervention.

 

[jimonica]

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Quietcat said,<br /><br />"I support this war because we are fighting evil. Pure and simple".<br /><br />There is evil all over the world Quietcat. Where do suggest we go next to snuff out evil?<br /><br />BTW. I can understand why you would like to see the DNC come out with an official plan to counter Bush's. Bush would love to take the spotlight of his failures and have a national debate on the Democrats plan. I'm glad Howard Dean was disciplined and not take the bait. Just sit back and let the Bush administration implode.<br /><br />Quietcat said, "You do not know that!!!".<br /><br />Nobody knows anything for sure. But, John Murtha was quoting some of the our Generals as saying that there is going to be a civil war in Iraq no matter when we leave, it will happen, sooner or later.

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by jimonica:<br /> There is evil all over the world Quietcat. Where do suggest we go next to snuff out evil?<br />

This is a serious question. Are you suggesting that we either fight all evil all of the time or none of it?<br /><br />I want to know what level of evil gains your support. I wish we would have intervened in Rwanda, but the UN was in charge there and I think we should stop the brutal suffering in North Korea, but there is this little issue of the Chinese. I also think we should watch Iran like a flippin' hawk. They have made it clear that they want Israel gone. I believe that Islamic terror is the world's biggest threat. They (some Muslims and all Islamic terrorists) absolutely want the destruction of Democratic governments. They want to replace those democracies with Fundamentalist Islamic Theocracies, yet you sir fear our current Administration as too far right . . . Where is your sense of a real threat to Government by the people?

 

[knobby]

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> anyone see what he actually said? I have only seen bits and pieces of it.<br /> seems the Iraqi army is fully trained and ready to rock and roll. seems they are about fully capeable.<br /> but seems the naysars and detractors pointed out some errors in the speech.<br /> I hope they will show it in its entirity. at least his audience look enthused and 100% behind him.<br /> looked good.<br />HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!! That's a good one....<br /> did anybody get a good look at the speech ?

 

[jimonica]

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Well Quietcat, to take care of all the evil you just mentioned, the first thing we would need to do is implement the draft. Because we don't have enough troops to take care of all that evil. And like I read before on this message board, NO DEFERMENTS. When its the rich and politically connected in harms way, our leaders will think long and hard before sending in our troops.<br /><br />As for the middle east. I'm not worried about any middle east country getting WMD (nuclear) because Israel won't let them. They proved this before. Thats why I always thought all the talk about yellow cake and aluminum tubes was bs. If they were anywhere near producing a nuclear weapon Israel would have blown up the site.<br /><br />As to your question on when is evil evil enough for me? Real simple when that evil is a threat to my country. Not an imagined or contrived threat, but real.

 

[QC]

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jimonica,<br /><br />First, your question was "where do . . . we go next?", and actually, I didn't say that we should do anything next OR simultaneously.<br /><br />So to be consistent, I can assume it is your position that we should not have been involved in Europe during World War 2. Just want to understand where we differ . . .<br /><br />Nobody said we have to do all of it all of the time, but we should do what we can to make this world a safer place and the fact is that antyhing we do to identify and eliminate evil DOES benefit the US. See, jimonica, these things are not about right and left to me, they are about right and wrong . . .

 

[oddjob]

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As to your question on when is evil evil enough for me? Real simple when that evil is a threat to my country. Not an imagined or contrived threat, but real.

Interesting, so the 9/11 was plot was contrived by Bush?<br /><br />I'm simply amazed at the level of denial. <br /><br />If they were coming in your back door then maybe you might consider it a threat...but then it will be to late....

 

[CJY]

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Problem is, there will always be evil. We have it right here in our own country. When are we going to fight it? To the Islamic Extremist, we are as evil in their eyes, as they are in our eyes.<br /><br />On Iraq, we are not ever going to rid it of all evil. We have rid Iraq of a great deal of evil. Many we believe to be allies at this moment in the Arab world have evil intent. They are only waiting for our departure. It has been evil for so long, its not going away any time soon. You don't unlearn years, and years, and years of evil over night, or even several years. It has been around long enough that it is all many of these countries know.<br /><br />I am not implying that we do not help. The sooner we leave though, the sooner we can see who is going to step up to the plate and assume the "evil" role.

 

[CJY]

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OJ,<br /><br />Where did you come up with that? Show me who posted W planned this attack other than yourself. Aren't those tactics you accuse the libs of? What denial??? Show me where, when, and how Iraq attacked us. Have you forgotten the man responsible for 9/11 roams free??? He is not in Iraq either!

 

[12Footer]

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A plan is better than no plan.<br />Let the Commander in Chief command, let the generals gen, and let the disenfranchised left cry in their double-mocha late'...They have no plan outside of "get bush" anyhow. They are therefore irrelevant.

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by CJY:<br /> OJ,<br /><br />Where did you come up with that? Show me who posted W planned this attack other than yourself. Aren't those tactics you accuse the libs of? What denial??? Show me where, when, and how Iraq attacked us. Have you forgotten the man responsible for 9/11 roams free??? He is not in Iraq either!

This has been debated ad nauseam here also. But if you'dd really like to debate it, just start a thread...not that any minds will change on the left or right side of the membership here.

 

[CJY]

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12,<br /><br />Disenfranchised? W said he was bringing us together. What happened?

 

[CJY]

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12, I want to know who on this thread posted the words stated by OJ. If you cannot do that, there is no reason to begin a thread on it.

 

[12Footer]

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QUOTE]Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> anyone see what he actually said? I have only seen bits and pieces of it.<br /> seems the Iraqi army is fully trained and ready to rock and roll. seems they are about fully capeable.[/quote]<br /><br />True, but they don't really have the C&C in place yet, and their button-pushers of that army have yet to proove-out. It wouldn't be prudent to pull-out US C&C until we know with some certainty, that the button-pushers wont push the button on their neigbors or segments of their own populace.<br />

Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> but seems the naysars and detractors pointed out some errors in the speech.

<br />Let them point.It is pointless.<br />Let them detract..They always have.