Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

frankseo

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Hey guys... thanks in advance for your help...<br /><br />I have a 1972 50 HP johnson engine... Won't start...<br /><br />LIfted the hood, and noticed that the pinion is just spinning freely and not engaging the fly wheel.<br /><br />Looked through my repair book. It says that there is not enough current going to the starter. charge up the battery, clean the leads, and check the lubrication.<br /><br />Well, I charged the battery overnight, cleaned the wire connections, and shot some wd-40 onto the pinion to lubricate it..<br /><br />It STILL does not pop up and engage the flywheel. Its just spinning there, laughing at me... refusing to jump up and crank that stupid flywheel...<br /><br />Please teach me how to be more convincing to my pinion... thanks...
 

rl29

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Re: Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

Hey goldenboy not sure if this we'll help you but check and see if the pinion will slide up and down the shaft by hand. I had trouble with this last fall and the pinion was getting stuck down by the starter and won't go up and engage the flywheel. See what happens maybe its getting wore like mine was.
 

JB

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Re: Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

Ahoy, Goldenboy. <br /><br />Do what RL29 suggests. If that doesn't work, go back to what your manual says.<br /><br />The electric circuit that runs your starter motor (High Current circuit) behaves very differently than low current circuits or high voltage circuits. Resistance built up in an imperfect connection that your ohmmeter wont notice can prevent your starter from running, or slow it down so much it can't engage the Bendix.<br /><br />Remember Ohms Law from high school Physics? E=IR, R=E/I and, important here, I=E/R. The current to the starter motor will be equal to the voltage (12v) divided by the total ohms of resistance in the circuit.<br /><br />To get the several hundred amps of current needed to make your starter work properly, the total resistance of: the + post connection on your battery, the connection of that cable to the starter sonenoid, the contacts in the solenoid, the connection of the solenoid output cable to the solenoid, the cable connection to the starter motor, the brushes in the motor, the motor mount to the block, the ground cable connection to the block, the ground cable connection to the - post of the battery and all of those big wires involved (ALL) must add up to only a small fraction of 1 ohm. <br /><br />One corroded connection and no starter. <br /><br />A common trouble is a little corrosion on a connection or a corroded cable.Take them all off and clean them carefully. When you put them back, spray a bit of WD-40 on them to keep more corrosion out. In my experience, the ground cable connection to the block is the most common place for this to happen on OMC li'l loopers.<br /><br /><br />If that doesn't fix the problem, either the solenoid could have worn out or your starter needs brushes. Don't let anyone sell you a new starter. Hold out for brushes.<br /><br />Let us know how it comes out.<br /><br />Red sky at night. . .<br />JB :)
 
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DJ

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Re: Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

JB's right, check the block ground. OMC's are notorious for this ground building up corrosion. Most times you won't see it. It will be under the wire ring and bolt. Take the ground OFF the engine block and clean it thoroughly.<br /><br />You can also check your starter pinion by "walking" it up the shaft. Remember that the pinion gear turns in the opposite direction of engine rotation as it goes up the shaft. You'll have to turn it that direction while pulling up on it.<br /><br />My bet's on the engine ground.
 

petryshyn

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Re: Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

goldenboy1:<br />>you gotta start somewhere...<br /><br />**To determine whether its an electrical or starter problem, do 2 voltage readings.<br /><br />>measure voltage at battery terminals while cranking<br /><br />>measure voltage from starter case to starter terminal stud while cranking<br /><br />**if the readings are within 1 volt of each other, its a starter problem.<br /><br />**if the readings differ by more than 1 volt, its a wiring, solenoid, connections issue<br /><br />good luck!! :)
 

JB

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Re: Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

Schematic is right, as usual. I should have had you do the voltage measurements first.<br /><br />Red sky at night. . . <br />JB :)
 

frankseo

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Re: Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

Gracias, Merci, arigato, etc. etc..., thanks for all the input.. I'm tight on free time,so I won't get a chance to tinker with it until this sunday or next sunday, BUT, I'll tell you how it goes then... Crossing my fingers!
 

12Footer

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Re: Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

ooops never mind, it's alleardy been said.<br />No need to be redundant..
 

frankseo

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Re: Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

HI Everyone...<br /><br />Very Easy solution here. I gave it another stab and in 5 mins found the problem. <br /><br /><br />Thanks to djohns19 note to "Remember that the pinion gear turns in the opposite direction of engine rotation as it goes up the shaft." <br /> <br />Looking at it again, I was wondering why it was spinning but not climbing. When I turn it by hand in the opposite direction it "climbs up"... Ah hah.... the connection to the battery was reversed, thus making the pinion spin in the opposite direction....<br /><br />As soon as I reversed it.. it fired up and scared the crap out of the neighbors cat... It works! Thanks for everyone's help... Now to enjoy the weather!
 

petryshyn

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Re: Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

Yo goldenboy1<br /><br />Best be checking out the charging system.....namely the rectifier<br />They get cranky when reversed polarity....<br /><br /> :(
 
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DJ

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Re: Pinion wheel won't engage the fly wheel and its a sunny day!

Goldenboy1,<br /><br />Glad you got er' going. Schematic's right.<br /><br />Might be time to look into project # 2.
 
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