PC in War or not?

treedancer

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I guess what you assume is political correctness is in the eye of the beholder. But going in and bombing without looking at alternatives is in my opinion not what was taught in any military that I was in.
 

mikeandronda

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I did not say bomb with out looking did I? Nor did anybody else. Nor did anybody say bomb mosques blindly......but i did say in a round about way if destroying any building could save one of our boys Im all for it. You know we have been politically correct for years and it didnt stop their jihad. Also if anybody has a problem with us defending ourselves because our enemy is holing up in their church, msque, house or what ever .....too me they are just as bad as our enemies.
 

wildbill59

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What did they do in WWII when a bunch of Italians ran into a church? Take a poll of the platoon to see if it would offend anybody if they attacked say a Catholic church? The difference was that the press was along but they were heavily censored. An airstrike or a tank was called in to destroy the threat.<br /><br />In Iraq they need to send in Muslim Iraq soldiers. Either that or we might as well pack it up because you can't beat both the resistence and the press.<br /><br />And at Ruby Ridge. Weren't the surviving Weaver's awarded 5 million in a lawsuit against the FBI's mismanagement and infringement of the Weaver's civil rights?
 

txswinner

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Too heck with the mosque issue, why risk one American son or daughter for democracy in Iraq. It will not be achieved, some places democracy does not work ie Iran. Control their leaders unless we are attacked by them. Yeah, I know the whole who attacked on 9/11 deal, but even GW now admits it was not Iraq.
 

deputydawg

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In the Waco topic, that was an ambush. It needs to be studied from the facts, not the media display. A DEA agent talked to a local citizen asking where the compound was (to make a long story short). I think even a state trooper or local officer, anyway that citizen was the wrong person to talk to. When they arrived they were ambushed. Yes blood was shed before the big boom. Federal officials were shot at first and blead first. Also (I may be wrong) but the big explosion was not from the tear gas tank but from a self destruction device or boobie trap inside. In short they had this palnned, first ambush then blow themselves up when it all looks hopeless. <br /><br />In WWII when they holed up in a monistary, the soldiers tried to save the building. They tried to get them out, finally to end the fight and save lived they bombed it. <br /><br />My opinion, when terrorists hole up in a mosque, lets bomb CNN. When they fire on us from a national landmark or place of worship, lets blow up a television transmittor. They are the rear enemy. Then lets go blow up the mosque. Right after that lets re-build it for them.
 

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It is called, "Rules of engagement".<br /><br />If it doesn't fit the situation, they can be modified.
 

txswinner

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Chappy, We are civilized and sometimes the hard way is the right way. this is true in war and in peace.<br /><br />No question in Waco the matter was handled incorrectly to begin with then it became a real SNAFU because of poor leadership by tresury and AG was called on carpet and she should have been for it.
 

badandy

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Originally posted by CJY:<br />
It sounds as if you are in thre military. For that, I thank you. I am one person (shrinking number) that supports you and the military iniatives.<br />
DJ, I believe you are confusing the lack of support for W, not the military. I have seen polls showing diminishing support for W. What do you have showing the diminishing support for our armed men and women?<br /><br />Sorry, not trying to steal this thread. It is just not an accurate statement.
CYJ are you talking about the talk of suporting the troops and not the war because obviously you can suport the troops but not the president. The president is an elected official you not suport him by not voting for him. On the other hand suporting the troops and not the war is imposible and insulting to the troops. It is like claiming to suport catle ranchers and being a vegan. Sorry if this is off topic just got my attention.<br />Chappy to help you out it is the Geneva convention that says not to attack places of worship unless fired upon from first and the comanders of our troops who decided to not return fire in this instance for lack of a beter word political reasons but not here in the US but to not enrage all muslims we are talking about the fastest growing and I believe largest religion in the world.
 

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badandy, you are soooooo wrong. I support our troops and not the oil war of GW. I help with support packages for our troops and have every year for a long time whether we are in a fight or not.<br /><br />Experience is that the nice package of foot powder, lip stick, can of peanuts means a lot more than some ....... (oops edit name calling by me, I mean one who did not and/or will not serve while supporting a war effort endangering the lives of others {{the troops}},}jumping up and down back home saying the troops should be in harms way. I can speak that from VN to this war thru my own experience and others friends and family who have been in the mess the package is much greater support.
 
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TWS wrote. <br /><br />
I support our troops
I am so tired of that tripe.<br /><br />You are for the war or against. If you are against, you are against the troops. ASK one! You might get your face slapped.<br /><br />Both ways does NOT cut it-in the REAL world.<br /><br />Join us, won't you-in the REAl world.
 

CJY

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DJ,<br /><br />
Both ways does NOT cut it-in the REAL world
Sounds a bit tripish to me.<br /><br />
You are for the war or against. If you are against, you are against the troops. ASK one! You might get your face slapped.<br />
Nothing but propaganda. I am against the war. Regardless of any spin you put on it, I AM NOT AGAINST OUR TROOPS! They are doing the duty they have committed themselves to do. Young people are not lining up in droves today to go over...are they? Wonder why! <br /><br />I am tired of hearing "wear a certain color on Friday" or you do not support the troups, "support W and his war", or you are against the troups, blah blah blah blah blah. You have never heard a person on this forum ever say anything negative about the troops, only W! <br /><br />W needs to gain support on the merit of his decisions, not the guilt they(Reps) wish to make people feel with the propaganda. He is losing this battle, so it's not to difficult to figure out why he/they is/are now traveling down the "guilt" path. You are in the minority, not the majority in this country when it comes to this war. <br /><br />You may find more parents/soldiers willing to slap your face for your willingness to put them in harms way, than are willing to slap my face for trying to save them. <br /><br />At this point, Iraq needs to be left to their own devices. Whether we leave today, or in 10 years, the result will be the same. Civil unrest, until they figure things out for themselves. As of now, they sit back watching Americans die for their freedom. If their freedom is worth having, they will do as our ancestors did. They will fight for it. W has given them the opportunity, and that is all he can do. If they don't earn it through their own blood, it's not going to have the same value to them. Without their own blood, they will certainly be more willing to give it up once threatened upon our departure. We need to get out so we can see what they really wish to fight for! Until then, it's nothing more than conjecture on our part.
 

Haut Medoc

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CJY, nicely said....... [/quote] You are for the war or against. If you are against, you are against the troops.
:p That statement is the same stuff that the exhaust from Amish "cars" is made of......A soldiers duty is to follow orders.....I can disagree with this war & stiil support a soldier following orders......JK
 

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Quote by txs: "I support our troops and not the oil war of GW"<br /><br /><br />If it is an oil war, lets see some lower gas prices. :rolleyes:
 

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Lower gas prices were promised right at the beginning of the war.By Rumsfeld and Cheney.Funny I have not heard these guys mentioning this promise lately.Come to think of it,Rumsfield seems to have disappeared and I have not heard much from Cheney lately.
 

badandy

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> badandy, you are soooooo wrong. I support our troops and not the oil war of GW. I help with support packages for our troops and have every year for a long time whether we are in a fight or not.<br /><br />Experience is that the nice package of foot powder, lip stick, can of peanuts means a lot more than some ....... (oops edit name calling by me, I mean one who did not and/or will not serve while supporting a war effort endangering the lives of others {{the troops}},}jumping up and down back home saying the troops should be in harms way. I can speak that from VN to this war thru my own experience and others friends and family who have been in the mess the package is much greater support.
txswinner as a troop who has been home from Iraq for a little over two weeks I can tell you that a hardy hand shake and a thank you for what you have done means more than any care package we ever recieved. I know sending the packages makes you feel good but to be honest most troops don't need it we are well fed and have acess to post excanges. In fact my company of 300 soldiers recieved so many excess care packages we had a 20 foot container of stuff as a comunity take what you want or need.
 

CJY

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badandy, welcome home! Welcome to Dockside chat. Will you be going back soon? <br /><br />I don't mean to get into your business or pry or mean disrespect by any means, but I have a great deal of curiosity on the goings on over there.<br /><br />Can you bring us up to speed on the happenings over there? News here is often one-sided so we are unsure of fact vs fiction. How are you recieved by the people of Iraq. Do males, females as well as children treat you the same? These are the types of questions I believe may be poorly reported of over here.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />CJY
 

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Yes,<br />Welcome back badandy!!!<br /><br />AK Chappy
 

badandy

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Originally posted by CJY:<br /> badandy, welcome home! Welcome to Dockside chat. Will you be going back soon? <br /><br />I don't mean to get into your business or pry or mean disrespect by any means, but I have a great deal of curiosity on the goings on over there.<br /><br />Can you bring us up to speed on the happenings over there? News here is often one-sided so we are unsure of fact vs fiction. How are you recieved by the people of Iraq. Do males, females as well as children treat you the same? These are the types of questions I believe may be poorly reported of over here.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />CJY
Thank you it is good to be back. As far as how things are over there I can only give you what I saw. I am a truck driver for the army so I traveled from Kuwait to close to the Iran boarder and close to the Turkey boarder. Along the roads the people were generaly friendly. They would wave and beg for food, water, or what ever we would give up. The children mostly wanted candy. They would also try to sell items such as cigarets, pirated dvds, fake rolexs, or other asorted items. As far as waht we are doing there. We are training the Iraqis to take care of themselves. When I was there I hauled a lot of construction equipment for reconstruction and inforstructure vehicles such as fire trucks. Thats about all I know anything else would be opinion. As a final note no I am not going back any time soon I am a national guards man and am now off activation and back to the good old 1 weekend a month 2 weeks a year. Sorry to take the post of topic and please excuse my spelling.
 

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Hmmmm, seems some is trying to make things look good for themselves again. <br /><br />Support the troops but not the president or the war? You gotta be kidding me. Has the president been taken off the Chain of Command? You know, the Commander and Chief? He "IS" the first person in the Chain of Command.<br /><br />If you wish to continue your support for the troops and not the other, then you must have your blinders on. There are lots of folks that shake their head in disbelief of that statement. I'm one of them. I call a duck a duck, a chicken a chicken, a goose a goose. I don't call each one a fowl because it can get confusing on trying to describe which particuluar fowl it is.<br /><br />I feel that words are being bent and twisted causing chaos in this country. Not good in wartime.<br /><br />When and if we get attacked on our soil and the US goes into survival mode That is when you will see a different kind of heart that America has. War is no place for a weak or soft heart.<br /><br />The military is a war machine. That is why it is there. So how can you say you support the troops and not the war? Sorry to say, but it does not make sense to me.
 
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