PC in War or not?

[AK_Chappy]

Ok, I will restart our conversation DJ.<br />

Originally posted by DJ:<br />

No it was not.<br />It is from something called the "Law of Armed Conflict"<br />This is required annual training for us in the USAF.<br />It is used to help us try to hold ourselves to higher standards.<br />If a truck has a red cross on it and is used for transporting ambulatory patients, we cannot fire on it.<br />If a truck has a red cross on it and is used to shoot at us, we can fire back.<br />The mosque not being attacked was to attempt to stop the mainstream media from having more ammo to use against the US. It would not have been published as "Terrorist use mosque as cover, mosque inadvertantly destroyed."<br />It would have been published as "US destroys mosque in Iraq!!" Then somewhere in about paragraph six or seven, there would be a line that said "locals with weapons were in the mosque."<br /><br />It is not about being PC. It is about not giving the anti-american media in the U.S. any more than we have to.<br />

And, why do we have to have that procedure? Because it is PC. Why do we give a damn what the press thinks? Because the gutless/apathetic American public believes everything the anti American media feeds them.<br /><br />We really do NOT disagree as to-why. I call it PC, you call it SOP. Either way, the results are the same. The hands are tied. Trouble is, our enemies know it and use it to their advantage.

Not really DJ,<br />If we were to go around blowing up mosques, it would enrage ALL muslims. Not just the ones we want to kill. Right now, there are some muslim countries who, while maybe not FOR us, are not AGAINST us. i.e. they are not openly and actively attacking and fighting us. If we were to "not worry about PC" we would end up with WWIII on our hands. There is a very big picture I don't think you you are seeing.<br />Personally, I would rather kill all the terrorists. I wouldn't mind if they died slowly. (note I said terrorists, not muslims) But, I also don't want WWIII.<br />Yes you are correct about the sheeple in the U.S. They will believe everything the media says.<br /><br />AK Chappy

 

[DJ]

Re: PC in War or not?

As GWB said: "If you're not with us, you're against us". I think that covers how he and I feel. If someone is shooting at you from a mosque, BLOW IT UP. Call a press conference and show the American people, and the world, how and why you did, what you did. Make liars out of the media. <br /><br />If it were a Christian church, there would be no issue. Remember Ruby Ridge and Waco. One could argue that those were religious nuts. I agree, so is OBL and his ilk. Trouble is, who is who?<br /><br />I see the big picture alright. We are rotting from within.<br /><br />It sounds as if you are in thre military. For that, I thank you. I am one person (shrinking number) that supports you and the military iniatives.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Sieging them out was the right thing to do......It's very nice of those who think that we can invade a country & destroy shrines that are a thousand years old.......If "W" was holed up in the Statue of Liberty, I think most would prefer him sieged out rather than blasted out.....It's very easy to scream for blood,& destruction when it a'int in your backyard....JK

 

[DJ]

Re: PC in War or not?

OK, seige them out. But, stop biotching about troops being picked off during that seige.

 

[cpj]

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I say light up whatever target the dirtbags are holed up in. So we blow up a mosque here and there? So what? Yeah Im not PC. Never have been never will be. But I would much rather save our brave men and women from harm, rather than worrying if we made someone mad with our choice of target.<br /><br /><br />EDIT: Hey haut, whats more important? Our men or their mosque?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Both....Would you blast them out of the Vatican? They were surrounded.....Like I said, it's easy to destroy & kill people that you don't care about....I guess it would be a waste of time to starve 'em out? What I'm saying is this: it is not always necessary to use brute force to accomplish an end.....If it were a cave or a POS building, then blast away.....A place of worship....Try to find some alternative.....IMHO...JK

 

[cpj]

Re: PC in War or not?

Quote: Would you blast them out of the Vatican?<br /><br />If it would save ONE of OUR mens lives?<br /><br /><br />yep.

 

[DJ]

Re: PC in War or not?

Anybody want to address Ruby Ridge and Waco, as mentoned above? A home can be a place of worship.<br /><br />My point is that having one policy, or SOP, is dangerous, IMHO. The enemy should not be able to figure you out that easily.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: PC in War or not?

So, you are a Buddist? Well that explains it! Just to be clear: I do not want to see even one soldier die.....I'm just saying that there are alternative to simply blowing stuff up.....Why not just drop an "a-bomb" & be done with it? I'll bet "W" would do just that, if he thought he could get away with it ....JK

 

[cpj]

Re: PC in War or not?

Originally posted by DJ:<br /> Anybody want to address Ruby Ridge and Waco, as mentoned above? A home can be a place of worship.<br /><br />My point is that having one policy, or SOP, is dangerous, IMHO. The enemy should not be able to figure you out that easily.

Ill address it. You are 1000% correct. No one screamed about waco.Whadda ya wanna bet that if waco was a muslim church.............

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: PC in War or not?

Not a drop of blood was shed at Ruby Ridge or Waco until the authorities pressed the fight.....I do seem to remember that the results of both encounters went badly, and innocent people lost there lives, because the government got tired of waiting.......JK I think Janet Reno took a little heat for Waco, if I recall....

 

[cpj]

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Actually HM, Im getting to the point that I wish they would have just A bombed the whole place. I suppose that the Iraqi people are better off without Saddam, but Im getting to the point where I just dont give a **** . I would hate for people to live under a muderous dictator, but after all the biitching from the "compassionate" folks (whether left, right, or center) about how it was bad to invade Iraq, I almost would like to just say to hell with all of em. No matter what we do, someones is going to complain. So much for us trying to help the oppressed people of the world.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: PC in War or not?

It would have been way cheaper & saved American lives ....That's for sure!....JK

 

[CJY]

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It sounds as if you are in thre military. For that, I thank you. I am one person (shrinking number) that supports you and the military iniatives.<br />

DJ, I believe you are confusing the lack of support for W, not the military. I have seen polls showing diminishing support for W. What do you have showing the diminishing support for our armed men and women?<br /><br />Sorry, not trying to steal this thread. It is just not an accurate statement.

 

[JB]

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On what basis do you think we are not in WWIII, AK Chappy?<br /><br />It is a very different kind of war, but it is a war nevertheless. Until the world's governments recognize that it will drag on endlessly.<br /><br />In 1994, I predicted WWIII would be between the Judeo-Christian world and Fundamentalist Islam and would break out in 1999. I missed the date. It is escalating and will involve most of the world by 2010.

 

[mikeandronda]

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Let me say this ....if there were terrorists or enemies to my country in MY church I would push the button myself to destroy it and them.......There is not one building in that stink hole of a country worth one of our boys.

 

[tommays]

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you have bombs going off all over the world <br /><br />for the most part there set off by one group whos goal is to take over what they think is there part of the world <br /><br />i am sure if they make any real progress they will only try and spread it farther<br /><br />which really only leaves us with kill them before they kill us <br /><br />tommays

 

[treedancer]

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Let me say this ....if there were terrorists or enemies to my country in MY church I would push the button myself to destroy it and them.......There is not one building in that stink hole of a country worth one of our boys.<br />

Would you do that if you thought it would cause more personal loss down the line?

 

[AK_Chappy]

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treedancer,<br />You see my point. <br />Harry Truman was faced with the same basic choice. He chose to drop the bomb on Japan, because it would save U.S. lives in the long run. <br />We choose to NOT destroy mosques because it will save U.S. lives in the long run.<br /><br />It is better to have 10,000 against us than 10,000,000<br /><br />JB,<br />I am not so sure we aren't in the beginnings of WWIII. I don't think we are there yet. I also don't think it will take much to get us there.<br /><br />AK Chappy

 

[mikeandronda]

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thats not what I said treedancer......let me say this different. If my enemy was holed up in "my Church" a place I love very much mind you, I would do what ever I had to end that threat. As for moore potential threat down the line, what we are doing being politicaly correct is assuring that very thing.