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[txswinner]

I know most did not see as WWF was on at the same time but interesting story on last week about Cheney and Rummy and how they manipulated the info before it got to W.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Glad to know my share of the tax dollars paid for it.

 

[QC]

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So I am guessing your point is that W made a good decision with the info he had?

 

[BoatBuoy]

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I saw it. It pointed out, through the testimony of many, how W has been greatly manipulated, but no surprise there.

 

[txswinner]

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Sounds reasonable to me, however now might be a good time to fire Rummy and Cheney for what they have done.<br /><br />We may well have blamed the wrong person for the attack on Iraq based on the WMD misinformation.

 

[KaGee]

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What's PBS? Some new desease??

 

[txswinner]

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You would not like it KaGee and besides it comes on during rassling.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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I saw the same thing and it was incredibly biased. They only interviewed people that made their story work. All were "EX-" something that quit. Not exactly the most unbiased sources.<br /><br />In the end, Cheney and Rumsfield wanted evidence that Iraq was a bad boy. Tenent bowed to thier pressure and over exagerated some things to make them happy.<br /><br />Who is at fault, Tenent for bowing under the pressure, or Cheney for creating it?<br /><br />You decide.<br /><br />Ken

 

[kenimpzoom]

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/ <br /><br />It really pissed me off they used "The Dark Side" as the title. Every person knows "the dark side" is from Star Wars. Insinuations that they are evil is in really poor taste.<br /><br />Ken

 

[txswinner]

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Ken, I agree it was biased but your remark tells it all. Who was the culprit, I think Cheney was the pressure applier and Tenet did not do what he should have done in advising the President. Reasons for Tenet's failure are understood but not acceptable and he should not be in such a position of power.<br /><br />On the other hand Cheney's disloyalty and misinformation may have resulted in a decision that would not have resulted in a war and the position we are in today. W's Dad had the correct info and made the move not to remove Saddam. Maybe with the correct information W would have taken a different route.<br /><br />If anything this report and others has opened my eyes that perhaps all the blame is not on W but rather the fault of those he has trusted for loyalty, honesty and 100% effort to serve America and not themselves.

 

[oddjob]

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> You would not like it KaGee and besides it comes on during rassling.

Dang Tx, now that there IS funny ..dont care who ya are!

 

[txswinner]

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Thank you odd, I am taking my pills and working on my humorous side.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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I would like to say at least the Frontline story didnt go into the whole Cheney/Halliburton BS thing.<br /><br />I honestly think Cheney did what he thought was best for the world. He thought Saddam should be removed. He didnt do it for any other reasons. I honestly agree with him. Sadam was a bad guy that WE put into power. We were righting a wrong.<br /><br />Cheney just needed an excuse and they used 9/11 along with suspect WMD evidence to sell it to the US sheeple.<br /><br />I think over time we will look back and see that getting rid of Saddam was a good thing.<br /><br />Now if we could just get the idiots Iran and North Korea to play nice, maybe we can stop worrying about their nonsense.<br /><br />Ken

 

[PW2]

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In order to be "biased" the story has to be "untrue" in whole or in part, or at least lead to conclusions that are untrue.

It is not enough just that a story gives an unfavorable impression of the administration.

We all are aware of the things that were "untrue" leading up to the war, and that theoretically got us into the war.

I saw the piece. While it is well done, there was nothing particularly new, speculative or unreported prior.

As far as Bush being "misled" he is the "decider" He has told us so. He had advice from Powell contrary, and he also had a war plan developed for the first gulf war the generals had in case they had gone to Bahgdad in 91 that predicted the insurgency, and recommended far greater troop strength than what was used.

It's Cheney, Rumsfeld et al job to give advice; it is W's to decide. That is where the buck stops.

 

[Limited-Time]

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Quote by PW2..."In order to be "biased" the story has to be "untrue" in whole or in part, or at least lead to conclusions that are untrue."

Since when does something "biased" have to be “untrue"??? If I chose to report only the positives of a given situation, according to my (read biased) point of view and omit those I see as negative, I have not altered the truth or miss represented the select information I am reporting. If you want the entire story you may have to research another report from the other (read biased) view point.

 

[PW2]

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Under your scenario, that would lead to an "untrue" conclusion, which if accurate, would constitute "bias". If the conclusion is accurate, it cannot be biased

As reported by the former CIA officials, and what we know over time, intelligence was indeed "cherry picked" to produce apparently desired results.

BTW, being ex-CIA certainly does not or should not, diminish their credibility. If they disagree with policy, or the use of the intelligence they devolped, the only honorable option they have is to resign. They are not free to openly criticize leadership and remain under the employ of the Gov't Same is true for the military leadership, which is why one general did resign, and only retired generals have criticized policy.

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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BTW, being ex-CIA certainly does not or should not, diminish their credibility. If they disagree with policy, or the use of the intelligence they devolped, the only honorable option they have is to resign. They are not free to openly criticize leadership and remain under the employ of the Gov't Same is true for the military leadership, which is why one general did resign, and only retired generals have criticized policy.

OH MY GAWD, A PW2 post I agree with entirely.