OX66 nightmare...blood sweat and tears

timmaybrooks

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I have a 2000 200hp yammy ox66 efi. started with bad idling (sputtering and turning off), and running rich with a load (bogging down almost completely). Fuel starvation for sure. here's what I had done before i took it to a mechanic:

1. New pickup in the gas tank
2. new fuel lines
3. new water fuel seperator
4. new inline filter (the one with the ring that floats when there is gas)
5. new vst screen
6. removed and tested o2 sensor with blow torch (within spec)
7. new lp fuel pumps
8. had injectors cleaned tested (nothing wrong with them was the report)

Time for a mechanic

9. Good compression test
10. good spark
11. Good fuel pressure test at idle only (this will be important later)
12. tps link and sync (fixes idle!!!!!)
13. replace electric fuel pump orings
14. reset and cleaned needle on float valve
15. water test reveals bad fuel pressure psi with load. gets to 35psi and starts surging at 3500rpms and loses pressure (bad electric fuel pump ad per mechanic right?)

Got boat back from mechanic to replace electric fuel pump myself...Here's where it gets interesting:

16. replace hp fuel pump with a spankin new one (includes new vst screen) and fires right up and idles perfect...but wait... bad gasket on the positive terminal causes a small fuel leak at the top of the vst before i can perform water test.
17. take vst apart again and replace gasket...no leak. fuel pump turns on fine. button vst up.
18. turn the ignition back on and can't get the dang thing to fire!! Pump still turns on, but no fire. (Thinking vapor lock at this point from vst to injectors because it JUST WORKED the day before).
19. bleed air from shrador valve...still nothing.
20. re verify we are starving fuel by squirting gas directly into throttle body. engine fires and runs fine, and shuts off immediately once the small amount of gas squirted burns. wont fire again until i squirt more gas.
21. check to see if we are getting 12 volts at the electric fuel pump. pump turns on, but only getting 11.5 volts give or take...uh oh
22. As per repair manual, check main relay (get 12 volts just fine), and 30 amp fuse (replaced with spare just in case)...still nothing
22. do another pressure test at the shrador valve. when ignition turns on and pump runs...only 20psi max (needs to be 35.6 as per manual)
23. clean pressure regulator screen at top of vst
24. another fuel pressure test...still 20 psi (now I start thinking I purchased a bad fuel pump).
25. take return hose off top of vst (above shrador valve) and bleed out any air in desperation. re connect and still get 20 psi. turn engine over and pressure completely dies.
26. repair manual says check pump resistor on front of engine cowling... its an ohms test on the volt meter. reads .8 ohms and needs to be at .53 to .57 as per manual.
27. in an effort to rule out the resistor, hook up fuel pump power directly to a car battery at 12 volts (bypassing resistor)...still get 20psi (sigh)

So here's where I am now... definitely had a scary reading on the resistor, but doesn't explain the 20psi only at the shrador as i bypassed it. i am leaning towards I bought a lemon electric fuel pump, but why would it work as soon as I replace it (fires right up and idles perfectly), then only fails once I replace the terminal's gasket?

Anything someone would be able to help with would be amazing as this is the culmination of 6 months of dead ends. All I want to do is go fishing once this year.
 

rodbolt

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Re: OX66 nightmare...blood sweat and tears

remove the VST pump and recheck the outlet oring.
the resistor isnt used for cranking only for running below 1200 RPM.
makes it a two speed pump.
not much diffrence between .8 and .53 ohms.
did you hook your red and black leads together BEFORE testing and record meter lead resistance to subtract from the actual reading?
was nothing wrong with the original pump.
most likly just needed the VST filter cleaned but if the oring at the pump outlet gets damaged you get low pressure.
a stuck open injector will give low pressure as well.
tourch test for the O2 sensor is a teat on a boar hog.
11.5V at the pump is fine.
 

timmaybrooks

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Re: OX66 nightmare...blood sweat and tears

Ok so here's where we are...

Checked oring, and it stayed in the top of the vst when I pulled the pump out. Pulled it out, and made it sit tightly over the outlet...reinstalled. After much coersion, we were able to finally fire it up and run at idle. Unfortunately, the pressure would only pump up to 22psi before I fired it up, and held steady at 15psi once it fired. After running it for about 10 minutes hooked up to the hose, all of a sudden it cut off and wouldn't fire again

I should also mention that the new electric pump came with a spankin new vst screen, so it is clean from the factory, but i digress.

So we pulled the new pump out, and put the old one back in. We did this because the old pump would get to 35psi at idle, but lost pressure with a load before we replaced it. THis time it gave us the same exact readings as the new one...still 22psi before we cranked it, and this time we couldnt get it to fire...at all.

I have no idea what the next play would be. Rodbolt mentioned an injector could be stuck open (contributing to the low pressure). Does that mean a replacement injector? Or would I be able to get it closed?

Thanks again!
 

rodbolt

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Re: OX66 nightmare...blood sweat and tears

either an injector is stuck open or the regulator has debris in it. try pinching off the return fuel rail then turn on the key, you can modulate pressure with a pair of needle nose pliers and squeeze off the return line.
this aint rocket science and low rail pressure means its running lean on both A/F ratio and oil.
you most likly introduced debris while trying to clean it.
happens.
especially if you used ANY type sealent on the VST tank.
please dont tell me ya siliconed it but if ya did let me know.
 

timmaybrooks

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Re: OX66 nightmare...blood sweat and tears

That punk mechanic that had it last put some sort of something around the vst gasket to keep it in place!!! He told me it was soluable in fuel, but I was suspect.

one of the pieces of info I left out of the thread was how the bad the last mechanic I took the boat to was. He was throwing parts at it just like I was, and fooled me into thinking he knew what he was doing with ox66 s before i brought it to him.

So what you are saying if I read you correctly is I should take the needle nose and pinch the return line right above the shrador to try and get the pressure to build in the fuel rail to try and clean out some potential gunk? makes sense to me. I'll try it again this afternoon.

I can't thank you enough for the help, and I really appreciate someone who knows what they are talking about.
 

timmaybrooks

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Re: OX66 nightmare...blood sweat and tears

Ok so here's an update. Still need some help...


I tried to artificially build pressure by doing the following:

1) pinching off the return line to the vst above the shrador...only got 20 psi
2) pinching off the outflow line from the vst to the fuel rail...got 0 psi (which makes sense as I wouldn't know how I could get anything as the shrador is on the return to the tank)
3) Bypassing the fuel rail all together by plugging in the outflow line right back into the tank...20 psi again.

I also used a vacuum pump as per the manual to try and test the regulator. I got a good seal and pumped 3.5 psi into the regulator air hose. Still got 20 psi.

Given the fact that I completely bypassed the fuel rail, and got exactly the same crappy reading, I think we can rule out a stuck open injector. The only two logical explinations we are down to is

1) A bad regulator
2) A lemon fuel pump I just bought...bummer if that's true.

What do ya think?
 

rodbolt

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Re: OX66 nightmare...blood sweat and tears

by pinching off the return line you bypassed the regulator. either that new pump is bad,doubtful or the vst filter is clogged or an oring is not sealing.
 
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