overheating and bellows just replaced....

Grub54891

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Ktbarrentine: I would have expected it to have stayed in the bell housing if it was properly glued there to start with.
Maby it's just me,but I've never read in a service manual to glue in the large o-ring. I use a dab of grease to hold em in place and never had a problem. Could someone lead me to that part in the manuals that states that?
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Bt Doctur

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Re: overheating and bellows just replaced....

pretty sure its in the merc manual, use bellows adhesive .
 

sptjet90Reflexx

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Going to chime in on bolt removal..... Casing is cast aluminum, bolt is steel, weld a steel nut onto the broken bolt, it will not stick to the case. and wrench it off.

so ya.. welding didn't work. welds just broke off the bolts so they appear to be aluminum also
 

ktbarrentine

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Re: overheating and bellows just replaced....

Ktbarrentine: I would have expected it to have stayed in the bell housing if it was properly glued there to start with.
Maby it's just me,but I've never read in a service manual to glue in the large o-ring. I use a dab of grease to hold em in place and never had a problem. Could someone lead me to that part in the manuals that states that?
Grub
I seem to remember in one of the late Don S' last posts that he indicated it is not in the alpha-1 manual (or before) to glue it in, but they added it to the Alpha-1 genII manual. Go figure. I take the "new improvements" from the latter manuals and use those techniques and steps in my own maintenance.
 

jackd1023

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Re: overheating and bellows just replaced....

so ya.. welding didn't work. welds just broke off the bolts so they appear to be aluminum also

It is probably a stainless steel bolt, should be its a little tricky to weld to. Need the proper setup.
 

slag

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It is probably a stainless steel bolt, should be its a little tricky to weld to. Need the proper setup.

Take it to a shop. They should be able to do that pretty easily and in the same day.
 

sptjet90Reflexx

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hmm gotta find one. Hey Slag I c we have the same boat but you have the 3.0 could you PM me some pictures of yours?2
 

tank1949

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something about photos suggest to me that you have two problems. I suspect restricted riser and that cause to blow or melt hose between y pipe and riser. Maybe not. Pump in foot couldn't get water past something, like clogged riser and pressure wnt somewhere., or perhaps mechanic screwed up????? Been there with OMC and damn near sunk boat when I tried to put her on trailer. Hopefully that side did't heat too much and warp head. You also look like you have water intrusion in OD. Lots of work ahead for you. I am still trying to get my barge running too!
 

sptjet90Reflexx

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its also weird cause I had ZERO water getting into my bilge so im not sure if really that much water was getting into the ujoint bellows. I even left the boat in the lake over night and not a change in how much water was in the boat.

I will hookup my air compressor to the water inlet line on low pressure and disconnect the line from the engine and make sure nothing got stuck in the pipe some how. Anyone disagree with this?
 

slag

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hmm gotta find one. Hey Slag I c we have the same boat but you have the 3.0 could you PM me some pictures of yours?2

I don't have any at the moment -- they are home on my pc and I'm at work. I'll try to remember to get some up.
 

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so ya.. welding didn't work. welds just broke off the bolts so they appear to be aluminum also

I'd just heat it up with a map torch and then start drilling the bolt with a left handed bit.
 

sptjet90Reflexx

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well IF I cant get those dang bolts out.. how much pressure is actually on that cap? When the boat is actually running on a plane I know its out of the water but what about the pressure of the lube pumping around? Could I get a new O ring for it and then just JB weld the crap out of it and put the 2 good bolts back on it?
 

spdracr39

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I think you know the answer to that one :)
 

tank1949

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Re: overheating and bellows just replaced....

its also weird cause I had ZERO water getting into my bilge so im not sure if really that much water was getting into the ujoint bellows. I even left the boat in the lake over night and not a change in how much water was in the boat.

I will hookup my air compressor to the water inlet line on low pressure and disconnect the line from the engine and make sure nothing got stuck in the pipe some how. Anyone disagree with this?



Suggestion! If you have disassembled or removed housing, then a lot of work is complete. I highly suggest taking housing to reliable shop to have crappy studs removed, or the jury-rigged repairs that you perform now will remain in the back of your mind, and if anything bad comes out of the repairs, you will kick yourself in the butt. I have been in your shoes before and kicked myself in the butt later on. I sense that you are trying to save a few $$. So do I, but fortunately I, now, have my shop at disposal. I currently have 2 alpha 1, Gen IIs V8s but all my studs were/are bias steel and no anode cap. But, as others have implied or remarked, boat mfg may have put in slightly older OD for your year of boat or perhaps some previous owner repaired what your are repairing again. My 86 SR had the same setup with alum/anode caps. I replaced with ss studs/bolts because the aluminum crap disintegrated when I had to replace y pipe seal and also make other repairs. Install other anodes' in place of these but put somewhere else. My humble opinion that this was a bad design. Yet, if you do replace all studs with steel, coat with good primer, preferably zinkchromate (if you can get it). I looked for ss but couldn't find odd length /threads. I didn't want to custom build 8 studs.

I'd be extremely MORE concerned at water intrusion and resolving this issue. I believe that your mechanic or someone screwed up and put incorrect billows in housing. Perhaps not?????? Easy to check! My 86 SR used big ss hose clamps to secure both billows ends. My current boat's billows which is indeed alpha 1 Gen IIs is supposed to require 1 hose clamp and 1 compression ring for each billows, and the billows are different than just Alpha's. An alum. ring secures the billows to the upper OD and required a special tool to install. Yet, the billows is suppose to have a moulded male ridge that fits into upper's OD's female grove for Gen IIs. I believe that the person who last performed maintenance, installed a non-ridged billows and cemented it in place and installed aluminum ring. "Physics" tells me that the female grove in the Gen IIs upper was designed for billows male "RIDGE." I performed maintenance on one drive last year and replace all rubber. I replaced the other one this year because I had to remove and replace motor. While removed, I also rebuilt transom and completely overhauled gimbal housing and replace ALL rubber. This specific OD did have a little rust on U joints. It was a another headache waiting to happen had I not found screw up. I suspect same happened to you, and your U-joint seals were overcome by water and the crap got into upper OD. Remember that one "aw-****" WILL wipe out fifty "at-a-boys!
 

sptjet90Reflexx

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Re: overheating and bellows just replaced....

I purchased all the bellows and other parts at my local mercruiser service center. He just installed them. So I know I have the right parts. I just need to find some way to get these studs out.
 

tank1949

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Re: overheating and bellows just replaced....

Just humor an old man and examine bellows before it is destroyed. Water is getting in some way. It was working. So, what has changed???? I believe that 1989 should be Alpha 1, but sales rep may have sold incorrect part to you. I have been down that road before too. Good luck!
 
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