OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

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briguybro

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This is my first time posting on this forum. My grandfather passed away recently and left me two 20' boats with OMC electric shift stern drives, plus a third intermediate housing and third complete stern drive as spares. He had replaced all of the stringers and the deck on one of the boats and I am now trying to get it put back together. It is a 1976 20 ft Hydroswift (HIN HYD300401176) with a Ford 351 windsor marine engine and an OMC stern drive. I believe it is called the electric shift model from reading other posts on this forum. Well I put the motor and stern back in and hooked everything up as best as I could figure out from the manual and was able to start the motor just by spraying starting fluid in the carb. I only let it run for about a second because it was out of the water and I just wanted to see if it would attempt to start. Right now I am still having electrical problems that I cannot figure out though.

1st. The shift switch is broken. I had to bypass it completely to get the starter to turn over. When the motor attempted to start with starting fluid, the prop spun meaning that it was in gear. When I opened up the throttle/shift lever assembly, I found that the switch was literally cracked in halve. I know they are hard to come by and expensive so I was thinking that I could just make my own switches on the dashboard for foward/reverse/neutral and make sure I only change gears at idle. The existing lever would still work for the throttle. Is this possible or am I better off searching for a new switch or is there another option that I do not know of? If it is possible, I see that there is a green wire for forward and a blue for reverse, but I'm not sure how they operate and how to get it in neutral. Does it need a contant power supply to stay in gear and no power is neutral or how does it operate?

2nd. I cannot get the tilt to work. If I press the tilt either up or down, I get a clicking coming from the solenoids and the tilt motor does nothing. I have tested the terminals where the solenoids connect to the battery and they each have 12 volts. The small terminals are connected to the switch in the dash and I have tested both of them and they also get 12 volts when the correct up/down is pressed on the switch (and they click). The large terminals that connect to the tilt motor are confusing me though. When I press the tilt down, both the up and down solenoids have 12 volts. When I press the tilt up, neither have any power. I am talking about the terminals that the two wires coming out of the tilt motor are connected to. I am assuming that one wire should move the motor in the up direction and the other down, but I may be wrong. After that I tried to hot wire the tilt motor directly by touching a positive wire to each one of the two wires coming out of the tilt motor (again assuming that one wire is up and the other is down). I just got sparks from where I touched the wires and no movement from the tilt motor. Am I testing this correctly and making the right assumption that it is the tilt motor that is bad? If not, what should I do?

3rd. The tach gauge needle moves all the way to the right whenever the key is turned. I don't know if this is normal or not and I want to get the rest of my problems fixed before I worry about this. My only question is can this problem affect anything else with my wiring and can I just unplug it for now or does it need to be corrected to solve other electrical problems?

I am taking on this project mainly because I have many relatives with 1970's OMC sterndrives and we all have extra parts (even though OMC is not my personal favorite manufacturer). By putting this one together, I am learning how they work so that I can also help them with any mechanical problems they come by. Thank you all for having such a great forum and sorry if my post was rather long.
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

I have a manual for the 1972 models. Reading the section on the elecric shift would appear to indicate that you are correct in assuming that you need voltage on the green wire for forward motion and on the blue wire for reverse. Do not apply power to both at once.

The manual says in regard to the tilt system, that it will only work when the ignition switch is on. I don't think you mentioned that so it might be worth a try.

I doubt that the tach is supposed to do that. Check the wiring and look initially for good clean ground connections.

Randy
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

As for the tilt - could be a bad motor, but it could also be a busted/jammed hammer-blow coupler (connects the tilt motor to the worm gear shaft inside the tilt mechanism) or perhaps the outdrive is wedged somehow (some play in the tilt gear shaft or outdrive mounting bushings could misalign causing the tilt gear to bind against the quadrant gear). It's also possible the solenoids are shot. They could be corroded internally causing them not to supply sufficient current to the tilt motor. Also make sure your battery has a full charge & is in good condition. It doesn't take much of a weak battery to cause the tilt mechanism to not do anything (it draws a lot of current).
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

Thanks for both of your replies. I ended up removing the tilt motor and trying to turn it by hand. It seemed like it was stuck and it took quite a bit of effort to turn it the first time. Once I got it to turn, I tested each wire direct to the battery and the bolts to the ground and it worked fine. I then put it back in the boat and I was able to lower the stern drive, but not raise it. I then checked the battery and it was low. It is a brand new battery I bought Thursday and I guess I must have been testing too many electronic things on it since then. I'll let it charge and hope the tilt will also go up with a fully charged battery. I'll post again once that's done, but it probably won't be until tomorrow.

Also, do either of you know exactly how the electric shift works so that I can build my own switches? Thanks to oldsub86 for confirming that green is for foward and blue is for reverse. I'll try to remember green=go and blue=backwards. Do these need a constant electrical current to stay in gear or does a temporary current cause it to change gear and then it stays where you last put it? Also, what does it need to go in neutral?

As far as the tach, I've traced the wires and cannot see how it would affect anything else in the system. For now I'm just going to disconnect it until I get everything else running the way it should. After that I think I'll be able to troubleshoot it myself or just by a new one and wire it myself. If I am wrong about it being an independent system, please correct me.
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

The electric shift needs constant power to stay in gear,and you must never,never apply power to both green and blue wires at the same time! Neutral is no power to either wire. 'nutcase
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

. It seemed like it was stuck and it took quite a bit of effort to turn it the first time..
sounds like the trunnion bearings need greasing. needs to be done frequently for tilt to work well
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

Well, you had best do some testing before you hook it up but, it sounds like a simple double throw switch should work. The sort of switch that can be moved from a center detent to on in either direction.

Probably better though if you can find an original and fix it the right way. You might understand how to use it but others who might drive your boat might not. Could pose safety issues.

Randy
 

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I've seen a winch drum switch used - mounted like a shifter.
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There was a guy reproducing those OMC shifter switches on ebay a couple of years ago. Haven't checked lately. He was making them new. around $150 or something though.
 

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I understand the safety concerns of using my own switch, but I am the one one who would ever take the boat out. I did find a friend who his parting out his boat and he is willing to give me his shifter for free. It's just that his is a different style with one stick and three push bottons. Will this setup work work on my boat? My current shifter is one stick with no buttons, but it has a little pull out section with the OMC logo for neutral whenever needed. The attached picture of my friends shifter, not of mine.
 

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Howard Sterndrive

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

yes, the Evinrude style 3 button shifter will work just fine.
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

I have shifter problems as well and this thread has given me a good idea, rather shelling out the 200.00 for the new switch, I am think I am goign to wire a switch like this up, a 12 volt rotary switch that On- Off - On that I will use as F N R.

http://www.marineengine.com/products/accessory.php?in=1907873
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

The electric shift needs constant power to stay in gear,and you must never,never apply power to both green and blue wires at the same time! Neutral is no power to either wire. 'nutcase

I'm no expert on OMC, but my brother owned one for awhile that I worked on 15 or 20 years ago. I don't know if they had variations or not, but on his model, which was an electric shift, the "default" was forward gear. With no power to the solenoids, the outdrive would go into forward gear. You had to supply electric to the solenoids for either neutral or reverse.
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

I'm no expert on OMC, but my brother owned one for awhile that I worked on 15 or 20 years ago. I don't know if they had variations or not, but on his model, which was an electric shift, the "default" was forward gear. With no power to the solenoids, the outdrive would go into forward gear. You had to supply electric to the solenoids for either neutral or reverse.

so does anyone know how to verify what is the default with no power to the coils?
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

Unhook the power and see if it is in gear or in neutral.
 

Howard Sterndrive

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

default is neutral on any of the ones I have worked on. No juice, no gears.

If every OMC stringer locked in FWD when it crapped out, there'd be a lot of crashed boats and dead people

Although it is true that the winding action of the clutch spring does most of the gripping, and the electromagnet just attracts the spring, full current through the coil is not actually required to keep it properly engaged whilst underway, but some current is, and if you ever stop, shift to neutral and try to shift back into gear....no engagement will occur unless there's 1 or 2 amps flowing through the coil..

how's that for a run on sentence...
 

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Re: OMC Tilt and electric shift switch problems

The electric shift needs constant power to stay in gear,and you must never,never apply power to both green and blue wires at the same time! Neutral is no power to either wire. 'nutcase

I thought the blue and green wire cant have power to both at the same time anyway due to the control can only apply power to either forward or reverse...
 

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Not to beat a dead horse here.... ;) ... but back to my bother's boat. It had an OMC 800 stringer drive (Ford 351). The outdrive was an electric shift. We were out in it and the electric shift cable down to the outdrive got cut and we were stuck in one gear ... and it wasn't neutral. The default was forward.

Here's a post where it is discussed in the older outboards. (I know it is an outboard, as opposed to an I/O but I believe the concept is the same). All I know for sure is that with no power, the unit engaged in gear.
Older electric shift post
 

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Here's a post where it is discussed in the older outboards. (I know it is an outboard, as opposed to an I/O but I believe the concept is the same).

It is not the same. I'm sure there are many reasons that your brother's boat could have gotten stuck in Forward, but none of the reasons are "When no electrical power is supplied to the shift unit, the unit shifts into forward gear".

It's just not how the OMC 800 functions.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse here.... ;) ... but back to my bother's boat. It had an OMC 800 stringer drive (Ford 351). The outdrive was an electric shift. We were out in it and the electric shift cable down to the outdrive got cut and we were stuck in one gear ... and it wasn't neutral. The default was forward.

Here's a post where it is discussed in the older outboards. (I know it is an outboard, as opposed to an I/O but I believe the concept is the same). All I know for sure is that with no power, the unit engaged in gear.
Older electric shift post

All omc sterndrives made from 1964 thru 1977 were electric shift, stringer mount. 1978 the 400/800 stringer mount Hydro-Mechanical shift drives were introduced,with thru hub exhaust. A few years later the fully mechanical shift, stringer came out. these were all replaced by the Cobra drives. If a cable on a 400/ 800 fails it could stay in any gear or neutral. there is no in-gear default on OMC stern drives. The only default was on electo-mechanical outboard gearcases late 60s early 70s.
 
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