OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

[Cricket Too]

Was just wondering if there is any benefit to using OMC Tuner over Deep Creep? I was looking at the can of Deep Creep and it says it can be used for fogging and lubricating also. It says for decarbing you should spray it in and let it sit 5 minutes then run it out. So my question is how is it OK to use this as fogging oil if you have to blow it out after 5 minutes for decarbing? Is this stuff really effective as a decarb if it can also be used for fogging and as a penetrating oil and lubricant? I kind of feel like I might as well be using WD-40. OMC Tuner is nowhere near as thick as OMC fogging oil, which is why each one has it's own purpose, so how can Deep Creep be used for everything? I doubt I would use it as a fogging oil, but am now questioning whether it's even a good decarb. Anybody know? <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Bwalker]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

I would use a fogging oil for storage and carbon remover for de carb. Mercury power tune, GM goodwrench carbon remover and OMC tuner all work great at reoving carbon especially if you let the motor soak with the stuff in the cylinders.<br />I use a fogging oil for storage or mix up a gallon of fuel and oil mixed a 50/50 ratio and let tghe engine run for while on that

 

[dingbat]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

No doubt about it. Seafoam/Deep Creep works wonders as a decarb. Mix up a gallon of gas with a 1/2 can of Seafoam and you’re ready to go. Run the whole gallon through the motor and you'll notice a difference immediately. If your carbed up real bad, I’ve had luck force feeding a ½ can through the carbs and then soaking the cylinders down and letting then sit over night. Just make sure to get out of the way when you start it up. The smoke and carbon ooze coming out the exhaust isn’t pretty. I even used on my chain saw with spectacular results. That thing hasn’t run this good since it was new.<br /><br />I’m not sure what you think a decarb should be made of? Diesel fuel is a pretty good decarb in it’s own right.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

I have never noticed that sea foam did any thing other thing make the motor smoke alot. After looking at the ingrediants listed in the MSDS its no wonder why.<br />The black ooze cominh out the exhaust is unburnt sea foam!<br /> When you say spectacular results what exactly did you see?

 

[Bwalker]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

http://www.seafoamsales.com/pdf/MSDS_SFTT_US.pdf <br /> I see nothing contained in sea foam that will remove carbon.

 

[Cricket Too]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

It's not that I don't believe that Deep Creep doesn't work as a decarb, but when I saw that it can also be used as a fogging oil and lubricant I just wondered if OMC Engine Tune or one of the other companies products was any better since it's specifically made for decarbing. I have seen Deep Creep mentioned and reccomended on the Johnson/Evinrude repair post here as well as other posts here, by a lot of the experts, but I was really just asking a question of how it can be a fogging oil and sit in an engine for the whole winter but also be a decarb that needs to be run out of the engine after sitting overnight. I would only use a heavy fogging oil for winter storage, but I have used Deep Creep many times before for decarbing, just wanted to know if it's actually doing anything.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

" just wanted to know if it's actually doing anything"<br /> I seriously doubt it.

 

[trackersocha]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUpTechGas.htm <br />i belive if you read this it says"removes carbon buildup" at least several times.

 

[roscoe]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

So Ben, have you looked at the msds of the products you like for decarbing? If you can find them somewhere, let us know.<br /><br />Personally seen huge chunks of hardened black carbon deposits come out of motors when using Seafoam and Deep Creep. And have seen noticable increases in compression pressure readings.

 

[Cricket Too]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

Good to know Roscoe. Thanks.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

"i belive if you read this it says"removes carbon buildup" at least several times.<br />A company also sell a cream that will suposadly increases the size of a womans breasts.....<br /><br />"Personally seen huge chunks of hardened black carbon deposits come out of motors"<br />If indeed that is what your seeing how can "hardened caron deposits" comeing out the exhust be good for your motor?<br />IMO what you asre seeing coming out the exhaust is partially combusted Sea Foam!

 

[edgutgesell]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

Hi Ben,<br /><br />IMHO Seafoam and Deep Creep are great products that do a superior job of decarbing any engine, 2 stroke, 4 stroke. I had a Evinrude 3 cyl 70 hp that had one cylinder compression about 12 lbs less than the other two. After doing the Seafoam decarb, all cylinders were within 2 lbs of one another. Ring Free is another decarb formula similar to Seafoam but I have never used it. Most of the professional moderators on this website have good things to say about Seafoam and they almost never recommend any kind of snake oil. My $.02!!

 

[CATransplant]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

Ben,<br /><br />This past Spring, I bought an old Johnson RDS-20 with very little history. After replacing the impeller, I did a compression test, and came up with just 85 psi on both cylinders.<br /><br />Once I got it running again (not too difficult, really), I decarbed it with Sea Foam. An amazing amount of black crud came out of that engine, along with amazing amounts of smoke. After blowing it out on the lake with some WOT runs, I retested the compression, which was now up to 105 PSI on both cylinders. I guess it freed up some sticky rings.<br /><br />It seems to work pretty well.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

Compression readings change with engine temp. If the reading was taken cold , sea foamed and then taken again after it had ran the reading would be differant. The fact remains that i cant see the ingrediants in SF or DC doing a damn thing. I could be wrong, but to validate that it does work I would have to see some before and after pictures.<br /> I have done this with Merc Powerune and it does work

 

[Scali]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

seafoam works, my engine performs & sounds much better after using it

 

[Lowranger]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

Can I run DEEP-CREEP through my schraeder valve, as I do with OMC Engine-Tuner? If I can I'll switch. It's cheaper.

 

[ehenry]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

Ben, Whats your back ground? You a chemist?

 

[dingbat]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

Do yourself a favor and Goggle Seafoam on the boating boards. It wouldn't be touted as Wonder Juice if it didn’t do what it's advertised to do and do it well. <br /><br />I for one will use nothing else. I tried the OEM products and they worked but I got tired of driving 25 miles to get a can and it was expensive to boot. My local service station carries Seafoam and at half the cost of a can of OEM stuff so it’s a no brainier as far as I’m concerned.<br /><br />. I burn more fuel slow trolling in a short 3 week period in the spring than most burn their entire season. Running a 200 hp motor at 800 rpm 12-14 hours a day for days on end is just asking for a good carbon build-up. A good dose of Seafoam at the end of the spring trolling season and out goes all the crud and I'm good to go until we start slow trolling again in the winter. The motor now has close to 1200 hours on it now and it’s still blowing factory compression all the way around. I attribute that to the steady diet of Seafoam and a premium grade 2- stroke oil.<br /><br /><br />decarb FAQ <br /> decarb <br />decarb

 

[roscoe]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

Ben runs a resort, a mighty fine looking top of the line resort, <br />that I can't afford.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

"Ben, Whats your back ground? You a chemist?"<br /><br />I am not a chemist, but have a chemistry back ground. As well as working in the auto industry for a few years doing some R&D work for a fuel filtration systems supplier.<br /><br />"seafoam works, my engine performs & sounds much better after using it"<br /> <br />Ever heard of the placebo effect? People claimed the same thing about Slick 5o till the FTC crackdown on them and they where found to be defrauding people.<br /><br />"Do yourself a favor and Goggle Seafoam on the boating boards. It wouldn't be touted as Wonder Juice if it didn’t do what it's advertised to do and do it well." <br /><br /> I hear all kinds of claims like sounds better, runs smoother, etc, but little evidence that Sea Foam has actually done anything. Anyone have any before and after pics?<br /><br />I might also add That I have only had to decarb one motor and it was a old one ran on 30w motor oil. The Merc 25's we run are fine and the have tons of hours on them as they are run 8 hours a day all fishing season long. When inspected through the exhaust ports there is no carbon buildup at all on the ring pack area.Whe use Esso semi synthetic outboard oil.