OMC 460 problems

kevlh21

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Re: OMC 460 problems

I really appreciate all the help guys. Yeah the oil pressure sensor works good. Increases pressure when it revs up and drops when it idles like its supposed to. The problem im trying to fix is the wire thats the only one im concerned about. I know i can rebuild the carb or find out why its stalling but i just want to find out where the heck those two wires go! BTW whats so bad about the OMC 460? What steps can i take to avoid the problems people usually have with it?
 

HT32BSX115

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BTW whats so bad about the OMC 460? What steps can i take to avoid the problems people usually have with it?

(Uh....hmmmm.........you already made the first (bad) step!!;) )



Well.....originally. nothing was wrong with them.........
Mine went almost 20 years with little or no problems.

Problem now, is OMC is out of business (since about 1999 or so) and they only offered the 460/King Cobra from 87-89. That particular "Dog Clutch" drive was only made those years too. It's somewhat different from the other "dog-clutch" Cobras.

OMC is gone now and the after market suppliers sort of left that model behind since it was unpopular and only made for a few years.

Parts like the coupler and exhaust manifolds (among others) are generally not available. (you might occasionally find new(old stock) parts for "an arm and a leg". Most common parts for the "other" Cobras are more available but they're starting to dwindle too.

Finding a Marine mechanic to fix one is getting harder and harder too since most don't want to mess with them and there's fewer who even know how to adjust the shift mechanism (which was a huge source of problems back when they were new)



There's not much you can do to avoid the "problems". The coupler and exhaust manifolds are absolute "show-stoppers" as are some internal, no longer available, parts inside the drive.

There's the other more common problems with the (dog-clutch) Cobras in general. But with careful adjustment and good care, you can mitigate them for the most part.

http://www.hastings.org/~stuart/cobra/ This article can help you keep it in proper adjustment.

There's alternatives to the manifolds.......but they cost big bucks. Stainless steel jacketed custom headers will replace them but be prepared to spend about $3000 for them. The coupler is the other big problem. There is an alternative I'm told, but I don't know how available it is and it's not cheap....


I had all those problems too with mine but I lucked out and found a Mercruiser engine/drive for a pretty good deal so I jumped on it.


If you REALLY like the boat, got it cheap, and want to keep it, don't put too much money in the current eng/drive other than to get it running reliably. Keep a look out for a replacement engine/drive and make it a plan for the future.

Get yourself an OMC service manual. a Clymer or Seloc just won't cut it.


Regards,



Rick



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a70eliminator

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It looks to me like the wire with the cheapie blue butt crimp attaches to the other wire laying there, looks like the female end the butt spliced wire has broken off and is still plugged onto the other wire, list the color and tracer if any on the wires and I'll look at my OMC schematic.
 

kevlh21

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yes, that blue thing is one of those cheap connectors. It was there when i got it.
 

kevlh21

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The wire with the blue connector is tan or brown with a blue stripe. The wires connected to the two sensors are both solid tan
 

HT32BSX115

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I went out and had a look at the 8 pin harness for my old 460. There is no TAN/Blue wire in the harness.

It's possibe that OMC added it in later years.

Mercruiser uses similar color codes and TAN/BLUE is used for oil, temp and drive level alarms.

It's a normally an UN grounded wire. It would go to a buzzer in the front that is connected to 12v via the ignition switch. When the oil pressure is low or the temp is high that wire would be grounded by the respective sensor and complete the ground to sound the buzzer.


Look for an alarm buzzer under the dash and see if its also TAN/BLUE.
 

kevlh21

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Keep in mind i have a cobra outdrive not a king cobra outdrive. One has a dog clutch one has a cone. I dont think the Cobra outdrive needs an ESA
 

HT32BSX115

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Look closely at your drive.

Does it look like the following picture below? If so it is indeed a Cobra. If it holds 108oz of oil it is a King Cobra (same dog clutch drive) OMC called many of the vertical drives "King Cobra" It doesn't really mean anything. They seemed to like that moniker.

ALL dog clutch Cobra drives absolutely require the ESA. WIthout it the lower shift cable and shift dogs won't last long.

If it has a "hump" on top it's a cone clutch drive. If that's true it's also NOT an 89. ALL Cobras from 86-89 were dog-clutch drives. Some drives were cone clutch starting in 1990. That's when they also went to electronic (Spitfire) ignition. If you have a cone clutch drive and Spitfire ignition it's a 90 model. If you don't have the Spitfire consider yourself lucky(er) Not very many parts for them exist at all....



From Doug Russell parts:


87-90 Dog-clutch model:
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90+ Cone clutch model:


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Boatin Bob

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Re: OMC 460 problems

Those 2 tan wires on the engine come from the O/T (over temp) switch and the 0 (zero) oil pressure switch, not to be confused with the temp and oil pressure senders for the gauges. OMC put them on the "King Cobra" packages. The 2 tan wires are connected together and were just left laying on top of the engine. You needed to buy or build your own alarm to hook up to them. They both just switch to ground so when your alarm goes off you don't know which one is causing it but a quick look at your gauges should tell you. Could be the previous owner did put in the alarm so look under the dash for it or trace the wire with the blue connector to see where it goes. I still have 2 of these 1989 460's in my boat and I have the original OMC manual for them so let me know if I can give you any help.
 

kevlh21

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Yes it is! I looked under my dash and found a little present.

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Me and The 'Liner appreciate all yalls help!


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