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Knot Waiting

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Im not the type of guy who believes in many of those "mechanic in a can" tricks, you know, sealer or cleaner you just dump in the oil. I am however curious to hear everyone elses opinion on them. I've read alot of positives on the Restore engine system and Lucas oil treatment for compression and oil consumprion. Are any worth their claim?
 

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Most ALL manufacturers recommend against using Snake oils.

The only people who suggest using them are the people who sell them (and the people who buy them too sometimes but anecdotal "evidence" is not reliable evidence).......That should tell you something!


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I use STP oil treatment in my boat and cars. I think its a good product, helps coat everything internal and is rather inexpensive.
 

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Oh boy....it's starting. These oil threads always start out as a question and turn into a "I use xxx and never had a problem"

Please don't take this wrong. With all due respect, what someone uses that caused "no problems" is not evidence of a benefit.

If you search oil threads on this board and countless other Marine and automotive boards you will find THOUSANDS of testimonials of "no problems" with oil additives . They mean nothing really.

The following is from a reprint of an old consumer reports article posted HERE:

Testing Slick 50 and STP

We also tested Slick 50 and STP Engine Treatments and STP Oil Treatment,
each in three cabs. (Slick 50 costs $17.79 per container. STP Engine
Treatment has been discontinued.) All three boast that they reduce
engine friction and wear. The engine treatments are added with the oil
(we used Pennzoil 10W-30). They claim they bond to engine parts and
provide protection for 25,000 miles or more. We used each according to
instructions.

The STP Oil Treatment is supposed to be added with each oil change. It
comes in one formulation (black bottle, $4.32) for cars with up to
36,000 miles, another (blue bottle, $3.17) for cars that have more than
36,000 miles or are more than four years old. We used the first version
for the first 36,000 miles, the second for the rest of the test, again
with Pennzoil 10W-30. When we disassembled the engines and checked for
wear and deposits, we found no discernible benefits from any of these
products. The bottom line: We see little reason why anyone using one of
today's high-quality motor oils would need these engine/oil treatments.

One notable effect of STP Oil Treatment was an increase in oil
viscosity. It made our 10W-30 oil act more like a 15W-40, a grade not
often recommended. In very cold weather, that might pose a risk of
engine damage.
If you're changing oil in your boat and it lives in the salt water all the time your best bet is to use an NMMA FC-W oil http://www.nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp

Or use what Mercury /Volvo suggests in their current Service bulletins.


Don't waste'a you money on "Snake Oil" additives. All they do is increase the profits of the Snake Oil sales people!


The only thread more fun than an oil thread is a Thru-hull exhaust thread!




Oh,

and by the way why would anyone want to buy a questionable product from companies that have been previously slammed by the Federal Trade Commission for making "numerous false claims" about their product...

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1995/12/stp.shtm

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/05/duralub2.shtm


(This needs to be a sticky!)
 
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Manipulator

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I've seen this article before as well. I know that STP does add some viscosity to the oil so it does help keep my boat engine oil from turning to water. Does it really protect? Maybe, maybe not. It's not like dropping $20 for a quart of Slick50. Is it a waste of money? Maybe it is, but it does give me a little piece of mind. Listen, I buy the Wally World version (bet its made by STP, it looks and smells exactly the same). I think its like $1.89 woo hoo. I also use it to lube my bike chain, gauge door chain and my kids bike chains too. Sticky stuff, likes to cling to metal.
 

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Uh.....you might want to do a little research on regular old general chemistry. Viscosity is not related to oil's affinity for water.

There just is no way to "turn oil to water".

If they're making that claim too.....well I'll just add that one to the others that the FTC fined them for...


Now if you want something that gives you "peace of mind" well....you probably need to get yourself a dog. Oil treatments just suck money out of your wallet regardless of where you buy them!:D


I know that STP does add some viscosity to the oil so it does help keep my boat engine oil from turning to water
 

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LOL! I think you misunderstood what I was implying. What I meant was the oil in my boat engine gets so hot the viscosity is like water (turns to water). Adding a can of STP adds viscosity to the oil so it doesn't become so thin when the engine gets hot.

I do have a dog but he really doesn't give me piece of mind. He just pisses me off digging holes in my yard.

Listen, I think using synthetic oil is a waste of money.
 

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Don't believe I'm getting sucked into an oil thread, but here goes.

LOL! I think you misunderstood what I was implying. What I meant was the oil in my boat engine gets so hot the viscosity is like water (turns to water). Adding a can of STP adds viscosity to the oil so it doesn't become so thin when the engine gets hot.

If you need to boost the viscosity, try using a straight weight oil like all the manufactures like Merc and Volvo recommend. Or use the BLENDED (not multigrade) 25W40
 

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My opinions.......

STP is good for engine assembly for when two pieces of metal meet for the first time.

I do not think it is good to add anything to the oil for most applications.

Using the correct weight oil along with frequent oil changes gives the most reliability and longest life for smallest return.

No comment on synthetic.
 

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Using the correct weight oil along with frequent oil changes gives the most reliability and longest life for smallest return.

I agree 100% and have said the same thing many times.
 

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Don't believe I'm getting sucked into an oil thread, but here goes.


Ok,

Next oil thread, I'll turn off the computer for 1 week!!!! I swear!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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ok, I'll play...

while there are potential advantages to be gained by running some of the additives (there is real scientific data to back up some of the claims), and yes the ones containing soluble, branched high molecular weight polymer additives increase viscosity, reduce sheer-thinning and breakdown kinetics... while these and others have potential advantages, the combination of a given oil and additive could be disastrous. There is no gaurantee that some component(s) in the additive package of the oil won't react with something in the "oil treatment" to form insoluble salts (an extreme example could be as bad as putting a little bit of really fine sand crystals in with the oil change...), or "sludge" interfereing with oil transport. the "best" of the negative scenerios would be that the oil treatment and motor oil additive packages negate some of the benefits of each without directly causing any harm. based on the possibility of really screwing up, I would err on the side of caution... especially if talking about running an oil treatment formulation with higher end motor oils that already have specialized chemistry in them to increase anti-scuff or soot carrying properties or to buffer pH.

Now that I said all that, I'll admit that I have run slick 50 in my cars and trucks for years... Laugh if you like and although it may not make any difference at all, there is a scientific basis for some of the claims (as in science in an area that i work in for a living). My anecdotal experience: My 80 elcamino has 300k on the original v-6 and my 95 dodge ram 4x4 has over 200k (lots of it pulling boat, driving off road in the mountains or in sand at the beach or around town) on the original v-8. Oh, and it wrought havoc on the heavy Vance and Hines clutch in my suzuki 1150 some years ago....

Jst some things to think about....
 

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Sigh.
Oil thread.

Yea.

Had a post here for a while, must have lost my head.


Ayuh,........

It's Great for the Post Count though,.......

Looks like I'll probably crack 16,000 tomorrow....................:p:cool:

Oh,...... Btw,.......

I run Mobil 1, in 15W-50 in My 4.3LX,...
Mobil 1, in 75W-90 in My Alpha,+ Whatever Oil is in My hand for the Trim,+ P/S.......;)
 

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It's Great for the Post Count though,.......

There, I deleted it completely. Never been one for post padding.
 

HT32BSX115

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You know,

we should have a Slick50 thread.....


Then I could say that my brother used Slick 50 in my Wonderful High Tech OMC King Cobra 460!! :D:D


Oh.....wait a min.....It had a flat cam after only a couple hundred hours.......We can't blame Slick 50 for that:eek:....we can only say its good if it doesn't hurt anything right? :p
 
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