Oil Filled Trailer

SiggiJo

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I have to accept that the season is practically over and although my boat project is almost seaworthy, it will be spring when she sees the water. So this winter, I´m going to finish her off really well and I´m going to put on a modified Bimini top (like Mark 42´s) except in England, it will probably be used more to fend off wind and rain, so I´m going with stainless tubing.<br /><br />I´m also going to overhaul my trailer - install rollers and add some extra steel reinforcement.<br />My trailer is mostly made of 80x40mm and 40x40mm mild steel hollow profiles. Combating visible rust on the outside is easy enough - traditional wirebrush & sand, prime and paint, but it seems like most of my stuff rusts from inside out, whether it´s cars, motorcycle frames and exhaust pipes. So why not fill the hollow sections with engine oil? Of course the frame must be completely liquid tight but that´s easy enough to make sure of when I weld it up. Then I can just drill a 10mm hole in each section, tap the hole and install a bolt with an O-ring. No more invisible rust worries. I do my own oil changes, so I will save at least one trip to the community dump with the old oil. Whatdoyouthink ?? Bunk or brilliance?
 

John McFarlane

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Re: Oil Filled Trailer

Sounds great. You would need a corresponding drain hole, tapped and sealed for the mandatory 3000 mile oil change.<br /><br />Where are you putting the filters?<br /><br />What additives would the trailer require?
 

roscoe

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Re: Oil Filled Trailer

Won't it make a smokey mess if you ever have to weld on the trailer again. ??
 

John McFarlane

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Re: Oil Filled Trailer

A simple mod to the tow vehicle would achieve the same outcome.<br /><br />Replumb the engine sump, so engine oil flows thru the clutch mechanism, into the gearbox, into the uni joint at the front of the tailshaft, back through the rear uni joint and into the diff. This way when the engine oil is changes, so are all the others.<br /><br />Then add a simple takeoff onto the rear of the diff to send to and return oil from the trailer system, which is itself modified to lubricate the wheel bearings, the boat rollers, and the trailer ball and coupling. <br /><br />What a system....<br /><br />I can see it really taking off.
 

gspig

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Re: Oil Filled Trailer

Drill several access holes in the frame and spray a rust neutralizer paint into the frame.
 

rwidman

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Notice that no commercial trailers are built this way. If this was a good solution, it would be on the market already. ;) <br /><br />There comes a time in a boat trailer's life when, just like automobiles, it's time for that great scrap heap in the sky. :( <br /><br />A galvanized trailer will rust more slowly than a painted steel trailer and an aluminum trailer won't rust at all. :cool:
 

craze1cars

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Originally posted by rwidman:<br /> an aluminum trailer won't rust at all. :cool:
Yes they will. They just have white rust instead of orange rust. I've had more than one aluminum trailer corrode to nothing over the years. However, it certainly takes longer, and they look better while they do it :D <br /><br />I feel stainless is the best realistic material, albeit the most expensive.<br /><br />I bet the environmental groups would just LOVE to hear of this plan for oil filled trailers. Just one more mechanical thing that would eventually develop various leaks and polute the world...
 

craze1cars

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Originally posted by roscoe:<br /> Won't it make a smokey mess if you ever have to weld on the trailer again. ??
Either that or maybe a beautiful mushroom cloud followed by an out-of-control fire....
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Oil Filled Trailer

Oil undercoating is very common in Vermont. There are holes drilled in door pillars, doors and oil is sprayed into every hole. The holes are then capped with small plastic plugs. The vehicle is then a "bio-hazard" but the oil stops dripping out after about 72 hours. They are not permitted to use "used oil" so new oil is used.<br /><br />Sraying oil into the frame will save it but storing it in the frame I guess could be an option.
 

umblecumbuz

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Hi SiggiJo,<br /><br />Your idea works Pal.<br /><br />I've owned several trailers over the years with oil-filled closed section box. <br /><br />The only rust is the rust you can see, but the oil slops inside the tubes and makes weird noises sometimes. And there's always bits of tube that you can't get to!
 

djzyla1980

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Re: Oil Filled Trailer

Make sure you fill it with the same weight as the tow vehicle, that way if your boat motor don't want to run, you forget the boat keys or plug.... you can at least change the oil in your tow vehicle. Then you won't feel like it was a complete waste of a day.<br /><br />"pretty rainbows in the lake" Who needs an oil filled trailer, my Outboard does that on it's own <br /><br /><br />Really I think it isn't a bad idea. However I don't know about filling it... maybe putting plug holes so it can be sprayed in there on regular intervals.
 

stickymess

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Re: Oil Filled Trailer

Down here in south africa we have oil-filled axles everywhere(they are manufactured commercially) and they work damn well. Around here most guys go with Galvinised trailer bodies and oil-filled axles
 

SeaKaye12

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Yikes...everybody is making fun of ya; Siggi...<br /><br />Sounds like a good idea to me.<br /><br />But; can there be rust in the absence of oxygen and water?<br /><br />Maybe just sealing the voids would work? Put some silica gel in there before sealing it up...absorbs any moisture in the air...<br /><br />No water...no oxygen...no rust?????<br /><br />I dunno...<br /><br />As I see it...you have little or nothing to loose....using "scrap" oil and all...<br /><br />You'd have to have some vents somewhere...so the oil could push the air out....kinda like filling a lower unit; eh?<br /><br />Thanks for reading, Chuck
 

fondafj

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Re: Oil Filled Trailer

SiggiJo,<br />Nice idea ----- but I would use a light hydraulic oil so it will splash around and you will only have to fill it 1/4 to 1/3 full. Also, used hydraulic oil is readily available from any construction site.
 

SiggiJo

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Re: Oil Filled Trailer

Well guys - enjoyed your comments, especially from the more progressive thinkers out there. Actually I have now found stuff here in England called Waxoil which is actually made for just this purpose but mostly used for cars. It sprays on thin so it runs out and covers well, then when the solvent in it evaporates, it thickens and adheres well to the surface (so they say). When I´m done rebuilding the trailer, I will drill some access holes in all hollow box sections, spray the stuff in and properly plug up the holes.<br /><br />Or, maybe I´ll just keep it simple, as I have found a place near where I live, that can dip-galvanize the whole thing for less than a dollar per kilo. <br /><br />Guess I´ll have the rest of the winter to think it over. Can't believe I just wrote that - must get out more often....
 

craze1cars

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In all seriousness, Methinks a better alternative is to seal it tight and them pump it full of an inert gas to displace the oxygen. CO2, or Argon perhaps? Howsabout Helium to create a lighter tow vehicle? Nitrogen? Hydrogen might not be so good unless you want the Hindenberg effect... <br /><br />Then again, if you're welding something up air tight/oil tight or whatever, why fill it with anything? If it's tightly welded together, water can't get in. If water can't get in, it will NEVER rust from the inside out.<br /><br />These plans would all stop the rust just as economically without the environmental hazard and extra weight. The trick is to get it fully sealed with NO holes or cracks ANYWHERE in the frame to let anything seep in.
 

umblecumbuz

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Gotta laugh!<br /><br />Just had a vision of pumping the trailer full of light gas like Craze1cars says, and then backing it into the water and watching it float away with the boat on it!<br /><br />Sell the boat and put a kicker on the trailer.
 
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