snapperbait
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Re: oddjobs troll-Global Warming!
OJ.. That's, Jonathan D!ckinson...
OJ.. That's, Jonathan D!ckinson...
Originally posted by rolmops:<br />Keep lookingOriginally posted by Quietcat:<br />[QB]I just look for cause and effect.
Their perspective, yours or mine? Truth be told . . . prolly a.Originally posted by PW2:<br /> From Quietcat<br />Quote><br /><br />a) really stupid, b) just another arrogant Yank that wants to keep ruining their lives by driving an SUV (never mind that my boss drives an S class Merc), c) just kidding, right?<br /><br />Quote off<br /><br />Ok, so which is it? I am curious.
you've described a sequence of events; that doesn't prove cause and effect.<br /><br />Originally posted by rolmops:<br />That, my friend is a matter of opinion.and this is where it becomes politics.<br />I just look for cause and effect.Originally posted by Quietcat:<br /> rolomops,<br /><br />"You know better than that. You have only sited potential causes, no direct link."
Are you saying that the use of energy by humans is warming the planet?<br /><br />The Earth is a closed system, there is a finite amount of energy. The dino's used energy before becoming fossil fuels themselves; the processes that cause a tree to store energy until released in a fireplace, themselves use energy.<br /><br />I'm not disputing your thesis, I'm just saying you haven't proved it. At least I think you haven't. Have you? Not sure.<br />you previously said <br />Modern technology caused the amount of energy used per human to really increase a lot.<br />That in very simple terms is the reason why I believe that global warming,caused by or at least accelerated by human beings is a reality that is not to be denied.<br />
Granted, but are we causing damage by accelerating the process, or are we simply a small part of the entire equation.<br /><br />Quietcat, I don't think it's 'A'.Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> folks this world changes, sometimes incredibly rapidly and not always for the best for all species.
thanks.<br /><br />I think I got it now. Sun to plants to animals to hydrocarbons to horsepower. Burn 500 million years worth of fuel in 300 million years = more heat. Our heat sink is at or above capacity already. Therefore, ceteris paribus, global warming. But are you sure ceteris is paribus?<br /><br />And the really important question: can we expect skimpier<br />Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> There are a few things that I disagree with.The earth is not a closed system.We daily receive fantastic amounts of photons from the sun, which are tranferred by plants into electricity(photo synthesis) and from there into either energy or carbon based mass.Of course we also loose heat into space but not mass.Besides the amount of energy we loose is not neccesarily the same as the amount absorbed.
That's the argument, is this real, imagined, or is it a question of degree (no pun intended)<br /><br />Originally posted by PW2:<br /> We are supposed to radiate the excess energy recieved from the sun thru the atmosphere, but the "greenhouse effect" traps the extra heat and won't let it escape.<br />
That's for sure, but there are defintiely "scientists" who don't care. "My agenda is more important than the facts, so it is OK to fudge a little . . ."<br /><br />Originally posted by PW2:<br /> It does seem that this argument, for some reason, has morphed somehow into a political one as opposed to a scientific one.
Maybe we more strongly believe in giving more to defeat evil (we do) than others believe it is important to spend on an imaginary issue that we probably cannot affect. As I have posted before, let's prioritize this stuff . . .Originally posted by PW2:<br />And I wonder why the world considers yanks selfish and arrogant? I cannot imagine why!
Even though that's the position of a few scientists, it's the position of most all politicians.Originally posted by Quietcat:<br /> ...but there are defintiely "scientists" who don't care. "My agenda is more important than the facts, so it is OK to fudge a little . . ."<br />
I have posted more than once that I kinda agree with this position. More accurately, I believe that finding ways to use energy more efficiently is a good thing. I don't agree necessarily with the emissions statement as nobody can agree, frankly, on what emissions are important. Don't quickly dimiss that last staement either. I am dead serious, and this is what I do for a living.<br /><br />Originally posted by PW2:<br /> So what? All things being equal, working to limit emissions cannot do harm, and may well do some good. So why not at least try?
Back to priorities . . . Please don't dilute the word evil. I reserve that for evil. What you describe as evil, may be, if the environment is your religion. When I say evil I mean things like brutalizing children, Dennis Rader, Hitler etc. etc.<br /><br />I agree with OJ, still not sure of your position . . .Originally posted by PW2:<br />And I think it is "evil" to recognize a global environmental problem, and choose to do nothing simply out of convenience.