Octane- A show of Hands

Goldeneyes

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Hi there,<br /><br />This is a bit of a continuation from my last post. I've heard so many conflicting opinions on Octane. Should I be using 87 in my 1974 115HP merc? I've had most people tell me 87 is fine, while others say 89 at the minimum. I would have thought that since this motor was designed to run on leaded fuel, that a higher octane, less easily combustible fuel would be better.
 

GA Paramedic

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

I am only quoting the GOD of inline 6's, Clams Canino... see his link and sync post for more but..."Use MIDGRADE only. Lead is irrelevant now." Hope this helps....
 

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

87 octane<br />87 octane<br />87 octane<br /><br />Are all better for your Merc than higher octane fuels. Even in 1974, makers recommended "white" gas for outboards.<br /><br />"White" gas was unleaded, and about 80 octane.<br /><br />Your engine was designed to tolerate leaded regular, but even then ran better on unleaded.
 

mtnriverdog

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

It seems to me that the lower the octane the more unspent fuel blows by. When I use higher octane I get more time out of a tank. just a guess
 

mtnriverdog

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

JB would the 10% ethanol added to unleaded here make a difference<br /><br />MDOG
 

Bigjohn1

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

The two biggest factors that affect octane requirements for any internal combustion engine are Spark advance (timing) and compression ratio. Remember this next time somone tells you that X engine requires X octane value.
 

deejaycee_2000

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

This topic is actually very interesting for me .... we don't have 87 octane here in South Africa ... we have 95 octane unleaded (green fuel) and 97 octane leaded (red fuel) and now the 97 octane leaded is going to be replaced by a lead replacement fuel ... 95 lead replacement unleaded ... weird ...
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> 87 octane<br />87 octane<br />87 octane<br /><br />Are all better for your Merc than higher octane fuels.
Wrong<br />Wrong<br />Wrong<br /><br />In any engine, you should run the lowest octane you can get away with. Higher octane is just a waste of money and often will give you worse performance for a handfull of reasons. With the Mercury inline 6; however, 89 is the lowest you should ever use, and 92 is even better. DO NOT use 87 octane in a Mercury inline 6 outboard motor! These things love to burn pistons, and running 87 is a sure way to do it. I can tell you from experience you DO NOT want to replace your motor because of a fueling mistake. As my original manual from 1974 states, this motor was designed to run on 90 octane regular. Even the 93 available today is **** compared to that.<br /><br />The bottom line is, all the inline 6 experts I've ever talked to - and I've seeked out many - agree that 89 is the minimum. Many, myself included, will not risk anything below 92. The difference between 87 and 89 is about 10 cents/gallon. That's $2 for a 20 gallon tank. Do you want to risk your $1500+ motor over 2 bucks?<br /><br />It is also important to remember that the first thing that happens when gas starts to go bad is it loses octane. Even in a matter of weeks, your tank of 89 can become 87. Your tank of 87 can become 85. Thus the reason 92 is better. It can lose octane and you still won't have any issues.<br /><br /><br />Edit: <br />From the manual that has been in my boat since it left the showroom in 1974:<br />
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ZmOz

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

Originally posted by theDeeJayCee:<br />we don't have 87 octane here in South Africa ... we have 95 octane unleaded (green fuel) and 97 octane leaded (red fuel)
This is because you use a different octane rating system than we do in the US. I'm not sure exactly how they compare, but if your gas was rated using our system the numbers would be much closer.
 

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WOW!!! many different takes on this topic with many different explainations. 87 octane, 90 regular, lead substitutes??? 93 = ****... never heard it quite compared to that before but I can see your point. Maybe all of us inline 6 owners just need to move down to south africa with DJC and import some of their stuff back across the borders. I am eager to hear more from this topic... keep them coming... (just the "wrong wrong wrong" dude. I don't even have a clue to who is right if there is a right or wrong answer here but that took some gonads!!!
 

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

I think the USA changed the way they figure octane ratings sometime between the 60's and now days. I remember in high school days putting 90 octane in my VW and my dad putting 100 octane in his Chrysler.
 

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

Whenever I do a rebuild or tune-up on older outboards (and sterndrives), I retard max timing 2 degrees to compensate for today's fuels. If it slowed anybody down, I haven't heard about it. If the motor blew, I sure would! (No News is Good News) :) <br /><br />Alcohol for older outboards is bad. Most non-87 fuels get that way with alcohol (around here anyhow). Oil mixes well with gas, but poorly with alcohol. It's Really bad if there's water in the gas. Considering where a boat operates, that's all but certain.<br /><br />Any grade of gas should be stabilized if it isn't going to be used-up in a matter of weeks.
 

deejaycee_2000

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

The most popular outboards we use down here (yamaha) is US made .... and we all use 95 unleaded, would love to see the performance difference ...... with the difference fuels from SA and US that is ...
 

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

Okay, do what you want. If you can find 1974 made 90 octane you are welcome to it.
 

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18. I have an older outboard with higher compression. Should I burn PREMIUM gas? <br /><br />NO! here's why. The octane ratings are composed of 2 components, research octane and motor octane (RXM/2) divided by 2. The RESEARCH octane is the quality of the base stock, the MOTOR octane is derived from additives. The oil company will never tell you the ratios. Problem is the highest octanes are achieved by MOTOR octane additives, which will just gum up the pistons in a 2 cycle engine. Base stock is generally the same. The MID-GRADE gas has the detergent additives needed to clean your motor and sufficient octane for MOST motors. If you have a MERCURY, FORCE or OMC motor from the early 70's thru mid-80's refer to technical bulletins from the manufacturers for timing changes and replacement head gaskets to lower compression to use today's gasoline's.
 

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

With all this said , what should I be burning in a 1995 Mercury 75hp outboard??
 

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That's a cut and paste from maxrules.
 

GA Paramedic

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

Let me put my non-expert but logical opinion in here. Make this so easy and mathamaticaly simple, it's almost dumb. There are three choices... unleaded, midgrade and preimum. All of them includes gas that burns. start from the middle. If midgrade works, stick with it. If you want to experiment, go ahead but you can't go wrong with middle of the road...
 

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I run 87 in my 1987 Merc 150 because that is the general concensus of all, "BUT" <br /><br />I have ran everything from mid grade to Premium to AV gas. This is what I found:<br /><br />Regular runs fine:<br /><br />Mid grade runs quieter:<br /><br />Premium is smoother yet:<br /><br />And AV gas is so smooth its amazing, but noticably less performance.<br /><br />Now, "WHY"? <br /><br />Because the higher the octain, the slower the fuel burns, thus actually putting less strain on the engine. But if you use an octain that is too high for your engine, you are going to have carbon issues. So, I use 87.
 

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Re: Octane- A show of Hands

Per my 76 manual for my 115 hp:<br /><br />
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