not sure what i got

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i started restoring my 1986 galaxy a couple months ago and the more i get along with the tear down the more i find that i dont understand so hopefully someone can help....first off there is a rubber substance about 1/32" in assorted places on the hull dont know why or what it is.....second for some odd reason in the bow they put a rib across the stringers with no drain hole no place for water to go that was a mess under the deck there......third the stringer bulge at the base in assorted places and unless it was a real bad glass job or i think possible the wood rotted and the fiberglass compressed help on this one would be greatly appreciated before i cut the strings out so i can replace the transom....no telling what i am going to find behind the transom....also there is something that i hope is not fiberglass over wood that lays flat about midship toward the bow.....i have no idea what this is or what it is for unless to take the place of a stringer....the pictures of the tear down are here http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg70/secondchance22107/GALAXY 210/?start=0 start at page 2 thru 4 for the stringers.....i have read a lot on here and learned a lot but you can never learn enough thanks in advance...LeRoy
 

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first off , welcome to iBoats!!!
secondly...we like pictures.....
since you already have the pictures on photobucket....copy the tag from the pictures and paste them in here..

there are alot of great guys (and gals) on here with alot of helpful information....and they will chime in with their advice.....but pictures will help.
 

jigngrub

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capoffboat001.jpg

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Here's a couple of your pics.

I really couldn't tell what you're talking about from the pics, maybe you could explain from these 2 pics?
 
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capoffboat001.jpg

gun001.jpg


Here's a couple of your pics.

I really couldn't tell what you're talking about from the pics, maybe you could explain from these 2 pics?

if you look at the pictures that have the deck removed and the hull clean you will see the stringers look at the bottom toward the hull and you can see bulges by the hull like the fiberglass was compressed around the stringers....the flat piece that runs the length of the keel from about midship to the bow is about 3/4"high and about 10" wide laying flat on the hull..the black spots in the picture of the cleaned hull is the rubber i am talking about it is bunched in places and can be pressured off in most of the places... i do not know how to post pictures yet ...i have been reading this fourm for about a year and this is the first post i have learned a lot on here...thanks again
 

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I assume you referring to this bulge???
bulgingstringers.jpg

That is a bit strange looking and I'm not sure why it looks like that. Not being able to see it in person makes it difficult to diagnose. You could cut a cross-section out and see what's inside. To post pics, Go toyour Photobucket album, and hover over a pic, a popup window will appear. the Last thing in the window is the IMG Code. Click on it and it will say "Copied" Now return to iBoats and Paste the code into your post and the picture will show up
 

mrdjflores

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could be that the glass sagged that much??? too much resin??
looks like something similar going on with the other stringer as well
 
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i hope i done this right and no the rubber is not from the carpet if you look you can see it bunched up and laid flat in this picture...the sags in the stingers are all over the length of both of them so i am at a loss....i am cutting them out tomorrow. then maybe i can tell what happened it looks like compression to me but i dont know how that would be possible
 
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http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/...Y 210/stringersandtransompartialyapart012.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/...Y 210/stringersandtransompartialyapart008.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/...Y 210/stringersandtransompartialyapart005.jpg
here are the stringers cut out, i presume this boat was built on a saturday and the guy was not pleased he had to work that is the only thing i can think of to lay the stringers so crooked and to had different size wood for the stringers and the bulge in the fiberglass.... notice that the wood was really in great shape from the bottom to about half way to the top of the stringer....any comments or suggestions would be appreciated...the rubber pulls up easily if it is thick but not if it is thin...
 
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also note the flat raise in the keel which ties into the stringer that was once in the middle in the bow with the bulkhead across to the other two stingers there is no way water can get out of that area///
stringersandtransompartialyapart012.jpg
 
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here you can see the transom gone and the black rubber better,,,,,,also the bulges in the stringers..now that so no water can build up in the bow where the stringer is and where the cross rib is what suggestions should i do to build it up so it doesnt hold water if by chance water gets in there ,foam........fiberglass even thou that would be a lot of fiberglass......or possible build a box and then foam,,,,i feel that since i see a lot of stings of glass that is loose and that some has just been made into a glob i am going to have to sand and add another layer of matt on the bottom of the hull before i add the new stringers any suggestion thanks again
allwoodremovedincludingtransom004.jpg

allwoodremovedincludingtransom002.jpg

you can see water standing in the pocket after the pressure wash i am going to take all the rubber out ,,, i was wondering has anyone tried that flex seal to add a little protection to the bottom of the hull and stringers just a thought its about like that stuff they use in the showers and tubs for protection.....
allwoodremovedincludingtransom001.jpg
 
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this is the first part of the transom making it different than orginal they had four different sizes on the transom i am going with two...still dont know what the bulges are and the loose fiberglass and black rubber is but i will hopefully sand or buff it down to hull glass.
transomfirstpart005.jpg

transomfirstpart004.jpg

transomfirstpart003.jpg

transomfirstpart002.jpg

transomfirstpart001.jpg


if anyone sees something i am doing wrong please let me know i have never done this before so without advice i am winging it...
 

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Where's the hole for the bilge drain in the transom?

It certainly doesn't look like it's going to be hard to beat what was there from the factory, and your boat should be better than new when you finish it.

In your new stringer thread you mention that your stringers are only 1" wide, are you sure they were 3/4" swollen up to 1"? Or were they 1" dimensional lumber instead of plywood? Why not laminate 2 pieces of 3/4" plywood together and make them 1 1/2" wide?

The sagging/air pockets in the fiberglass that covered your stringers isn't uncommon, I've seen this in several restorations. Those factory boys were going for speed, not quality.

Looks like you've just got a bunch of grinding and cleanup to do before the fun stuff starts now... give'r!
 

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Secondchance.
I have been following along quietly. It looks like you're doing a great job. Keep it up! Did you build a cradle for the boat or are you on the trailer?
 
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i didnt have the bit to cut the drain yet so will cut it later... they way the stringers were laid in and then the hul fiberglassed around them leaves them about 1/2" below the level of the hull .....i will post pictures friday or maybe tonight if i get the time to show what i am talking about to make them for wider stringer i would have to grind a lot of glass out.....when you see the pictures you will understand but if i get enough people telling me that it would be best to make them wider i will do so since this is my first restore ....also i defoamed the area on the sides where the foam was due to finding water under them no use putting fresh wood where water is standing alread or holding ...since you have seen this before with the raised glass bubbles should i leave them alone or take them down and reglass the areas... thanks for the feed back...also i cant seem to find anything on how to splice the plywood together to make one piece ...
 
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gator it is on the trailer and i have 1x1 keeping the hull from opening up.....if you see anything that can help please chime in this is my first restore and i am winging it since i dont know much about fiberglass....thanks for looking the trailer has good boards and the boat seems setting fairly good with no movement or warpage that i can see...
 

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Making a 1" stringer will be easy, use 2 pieces of 1/2" ply wood and lap them from the center of each piece.

You'll have a 4 foot lap at every joint, just glue and screw them together with 3/4" SS screws and you can make them any length you want.
 
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i am sorry jigngrub give me a motor and i can go to town but wood is a different story how to you splice the plywood together since i can only get 8 foot long sheets here , i understand gluing two pieces together but how do i make the the 16 ft i need for a full string thanks i put pictures of where they were on my other post HELP ON STRINGERS you can go there and see what i am talking about...thanks
 

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secondchance. Take this for what its worth I am no expert. I had the stingray set up similar to yours on the trailer. What I found was the midship/stern area was well supported but the way the demo'ed hull sat on the trailer caused about 1/4 the hull toward the bow to "droop" for lack of a better word. It was maybe a couple of inches but it became noticeable when I attempted to install my stringers that were cut using the old ones for a template. I guess I was lucky enough to have the old stringers and catch on to what had happened with an assist from ooops! In one of your photobucket pics, I see that your bow was not contacting the bowstop on the trailer, this would make me think that the chances of this happening to you are similar.

You may have already considered this but it may be worth taking another look especially if you have to fab your stringers from scratch, if the hull droops, then that hook will be part of your measurements and possibly a permanent fixture in your hull after rebuild. Once again, just an observation based on personal experience.

Oh and by the way, I used the suggested stringline test, along with the obvious stringer debacle to determine that the hook was there and to know when I had fixed it. I took a couple of pictures and the conversation with ooops! appears in my thread linked below if you are interested.

Good Luck, Gator
 
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it took me a while but i figured out what you are meaning never crossed my mind that is too simple i guess i was imagining all kins of ways to make them longer.....sometimes simplicity just goes over my head...thanks
 
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