The most basic question asked, when you turn the key to start do you have power to the starting relay coil?? Does it click and pull in? That was asked weeks ago. Someone even posted a diagram for you and showed where to check for power. I do not understand why your worried about the trim motor?Still working on the issue. The starter motor works just fine when power applied directly to it. There has to be some point where power is directed to both the tilt motor and the starter motor. Ground sounds like the logical solution, but all grounding seems to be good. I'm getting over 12 volts to the motor. Does the tilt relay have any influence on the starter motor?
Initially when this started the starter motor would spin, but not engage with the flywheel. A couple of time it did engage but did not have the power to turn the flywheel. I did a direct test using an external battery hooked directly to the starter and the starter operated normally so there is no problem with the starter itself it is just the power going to it. My concern with the trim (not necessarily the motor) is that both the starter and trim stopped working at the same time. I find it hard to believe that they are separate problems. Too much of a coincidence. That is why I thought the problem might be with the grounding, but the grounding seems to be fine. I feel that the problem with the starter is the same as with the trim.The most basic question asked, when you turn the key to start do you have power to the starting relay coil?? Does it click and pull in? That was asked weeks ago. Someone even posted a diagram for you and showed where to check for power. I do not understand why your worried about the trim motor?
Initially when this started the starter motor would spin, but not engage with the flywheel. A couple of time it did engage but did not have the power to turn the flywheel. I did a direct test using an external battery hooked directly to the starter and the starter operated normally so there is no problem with the starter itself it is just the power going to it. My concern with the trim (not necessarily the motor) is that both the starter and trim stopped working at the same time. I find it hard to believe that they are separate problems. Too much of a coincidence. That is why I thought the problem might be with the grounding, but the grounding seems to be fine. I feel that the problem with the starter is the same as with the trim.
Once Again when you turn the Key to start Does the starting Relay kick in? If it clicks But the Motor does not turn... the Contacts in that Starting Relay are nor letting power pass. Replace that Starting Relay. It could Also be a loose wire connection on the battery side of that Starting Relay. But I am assuming you've checked All those connections long ago.???Initially when this started the starter motor would spin, but not engage with the flywheel. A couple of time it did engage but did not have the power to turn the flywheel. I did a direct test using an external battery hooked directly to the starter and the starter operated normally so there is no problem with the starter itself it is just the power going to it. My concern with the trim (not necessarily the motor) is that both the starter and trim stopped working at the same time. I find it hard to believe that they are separate problems. Too much of a coincidence. That is why I thought the problem might be with the grounding, but the grounding seems to be fine. I feel that the problem with the starter is the same as with the trim.
I just engaged my brain and solved the problem. I ran a cable from the battery ground to the motor and the trim and starter both worked fine. All I need to know now is where the ground connection is to the motor from the battery.Once Again when you turn the Key to start Does the starting Relay kick in? If it clicks But the Motor does not turn... the Contacts in that Starting Relay are nor letting power pass. Replace that Starting Relay. It could Also be a loose wire connection on the battery side of that Starting Relay. But I am assuming you've checked All those connections long ago.???
Clean and tighten the neg (ground) wire on the battery first, wouldn't hurt to do pos wire too. Also make sure the wires themselves are in good condition. I had a problem a few years ago that turned out to be the ground wire at the battery. The terminal was clean and tight but when i removed the wire and jiggled it a little the part that attaches to the battery came clear of the wire itself! The wire, terminal connection in the wire was corroded thru but hidden under the wire insulation.I just engaged my brain and solved the problem. I ran a cable from the battery ground to the motor and the trim and starter both worked fine. All I need to know now is where the ground connection is to the motor from the battery.
That sounds easier than it is. All the cables are bundled and wrapped. Obviously I thought of that. Everything is bundled and tied together inside the motor so it is difficult for someone who doesn't know the wiring to follow. I just want to know if it is attached to the starter or somewhere else.just follow the negative cable from the battery
I found the problem which was in a sense logical but not. I pretty much determined that it had to be ground since both the tilt and starter went out at the same time at about the same rate. I thought that it had to be in the motor since the main motor and kicker used the same ground. When I applied a jumper cable from the battery ground to the starter ground both worked. I checked the battery for loose wires and found none. Logically it had to be a wire that was attached since it worked for a short period. I decided to take all the cables off the ground and ran a wire from the motor to a meter to test each wire to determine which went to the kicker.That sounds easier than it is. All the cables are bundled and wrapped. Obviously I thought of that. Everything is bundled and tied together inside the motor so it is difficult for someone who doesn't know the wiring to follow. I just want to know if it is attached to the starter or somewhere else.
When I found the wire I attached it to the ground on the battery alone and everything worked. I then attached all the wires and everything worked. I don't know why only the kicker was the only one that did not ground. The nut was tight. The thing that threw me in the first place was that the main motor worked and not the kicker since they were both grounded to the same terminal on the battery. Lesson learned test everything even if it may not seem logical.I found the problem which was in a sense logical but not. I pretty much determined that it had to be ground since both the tilt and starter went out at the same time at about the same rate. I thought that it had to be in the motor since the main motor and kicker used the same ground. When I applied a jumper cable from the battery ground to the starter ground both worked. I checked the battery for loose wires and found none. Logically it had to be a wire that was attached since it worked for a short period. I decided to take all the cables off the ground and ran a wire from the motor to a meter to test each wire to determine which went to the kicker.
When I found the wire I attached it to the ground on the battery alone and everything worked. I then attached all the wires and everything worked. I don't know why only the kicker was the only one that did not ground. The nut was tight. The thing that threw me in the first place was that the main motor worked and not the kicker since they were both grounded to the same terminal on the battery. Lesson learned test everything even if it may not seem logical.
The ground wire from the battery to the kicker is likely corroded inside the insulation somewhere and only making intermittent contact. Your problem will likely recur unless you replace the wire or at least fix the bad spot.When I found the wire I attached it to the ground on the battery alone and everything worked. I then attached all the wires and everything worked. I don't know why only the kicker was the only one that did not ground. The nut was tight. The thing that threw me in the first place was that the main motor worked and not the kicker since they were both grounded to the same terminal on the battery. Lesson learned test everything even if it may not seem logical.
In retrospect I should have. In diagnosing I try to apply logic. Since both the tilt & starter failed at the same time I figured it had to be the grounding. I assumed that it had to be at the motor since both the F200 & kicker were grounded on the same terminal. and since the 200 worked fine I discounted that. Not understanding the wiring on the kicker I spent my time looking for the ground wire. When a friend told me it was on the starter which I had already cleaned I figured that I would check the connections on the battery as a last resort. That's when I found the wire going to the kicker and attached it without the other wires. The connection was tight initially so I don't understand why the 200 worked and not the kicker. If it were not for that I would have checked the battery terminal earlier."The ground connections look good, but I will clean them up. "
Factory wire bundles never have splices unless someone hacked it up. Connections are at the ends. When you were asked weeks ago to check those connections everyone logically expected you did, both the + and - sides. By disconnecting and reconnecting you solved one problem and aluminum corrosion and lead corrosion makes for a poor connection. You could also have a broken ground wire in that bundle and other issues.
