Nissan 18e2 hesitation

penoe01

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I have a 1999 NS18e2. I've been having some issues with some hesitation between 1/2 and 3/4 throttle. I have been told it could be the head gasket letting in small droplets of water in the the cylinder. I did a compression check and the top cylinder was 105 and the bottom was 100. Could this still be the problem. Specs. say compression should be 106, so it seems to be within tolerance.

Thanks for any help.
Patrick
 

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Re: Nissan 18e2 hesitation

When was the carb last serviced? Is the link and sync (ignition timing) spot on, with no slop in the linkages?
 

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Re: Nissan 18e2 hesitation

I completely disiasembled the carb and soaked all metal parts in a carb dip for 4 hours then rinsed with water and sprayed out with regular carb cleaner. Replaced all gaskets and o-rings. Replaced fuel pump, and all gas lines and fittings. Also, replaced gas tank and spark plugs.All plastic timing linkage parts are new and linkage adjusted with caliper to factory specs.
 

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Most of the time you can not judge a gasket failure by a compression test, as the water leak into combustion chambers is very small at the moment, will worsen with more use, bear in mind thast one story is with engine at idle, other runing at load at fast rpm that generates more heat and metal dilatation Try re torquing head to 30 Newton Meters, with time/use gaskets compresses, hardens, the perfect combustion chamber seal is lost as when new factory delivered. If adjusting head gasket doesn't solve the problem, a new head gasket with impecable clean crank case and cylinder head mating surfaces is mandatory.

You will need to change base gasket as well, have a thermostat check, if very old looking, replace it too along thermo gasket. Take advantage to decarbon pistons, exhaust ports & cylinder head if needed. Once done and before placing crank case at base, with a small brush apply several coats of black enamel paint to the gasket crank case/head contour to seal it better. You will need to retorque new head gasket after two 20 worked hours intervals to finally sit at factory torque specs.

Tohatsu recommends a complete service at each 300 worked hours, assume head gaskets and related parts are changed at dealer, but boaters engines that don't visit delears for deep maintenance issues bypasses this very important part in order to achieve perfect undisturbed combustion.
 

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Re: Nissan 18e2 hesitation

Ok. I will give it a shot. Thank you.
 

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Re: Nissan 18e2 hesitation

Is it possible to re-torque the cylinder head without removing the powerhead? Can't seem to get to the bottom two bolts.
 

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That's exactly what have always wondered, usually re torque both pain in the hams lower bolts with hand using a long 1/2" wrench with enough hand pressure to a complete hard nut stop. Probably Paul could give us Tohatsu 18 lovers a hand telling if there's any market complement that can be added to a torque wrench head so to reach and torque those lower bolts.

Will need to remove ignition coil to access middle bolts for proper access & torque. Torque with hand tight the exhaust gasket too to avoid crankcase corrossion, will find bit loose if it hasn't been torqued since new. The head torque sequence is :

Upper head
7----8
3----4
2----1 middle
6----5
10---9
Lower head

Seems you are already experiment this sort of miss behavings :

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=542292

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What do you mean by a hard nut stop?

Torque with sufficient hand/arm force untill bolt doesn't go any further, don't use an extension tool, before removing wrench light tap extreme of wrench with a metal hammer untill bolt stops turning. Some kind of universal joint will be required to place on top torque wrench to torque both lower bolts. If using just a wrench to adjust all bolts by hand probably will find that they seat pretty well tight (internal rust issues) but with a torque wrench set at 30 NM it's a different story...

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Re: Nissan 18e2 hesitation

Well, tried re-torquing cylinder head. Still the same problem of hesitation or bogging down between 1/2 and 3/4 throttle then after a few seconds it will speed up to wot like normal. I did try using a version of the tiny tach and it seems to happen around 3000-3300 rpms if that little tach is accurate. I guess its time to buy a couple of gaskets. Unless there are any other ideas. Thanks for all the help.
 

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Was the cylinder head gasket a bit loose when re torquing ? did you use a torque meter or just by hand ? Have you trouble shoot all electricals ? If ok and having changed so many parts don't waiste more precious boating time experimenting with no aval, go for a new engine base & cylinder gasket.

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I used a torque wrench and converted the 30 NM to 22 ft./lbs. All the bolts were pretty much at torque, barely moved before the wrench clicked. How would you go about trouble shooting all electricals? I have less experience there.
 

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I used a torque wrench and converted the 30 NM to 22 ft./lbs. All the bolts were pretty much at torque, barely moved before the wrench clicked. How would you go about trouble shooting all electricals? I have less experience there.

Start with the Factory service manual, available from any dealer, including me, and diagnose the issue. Otherwise, you are just guessing.
 

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To trouble shoot correctly will need a proper marine multimeter or have at hand a CD and Ignition coil to swap and check at speed. Buying a proper multimeter and a shop manual will be around $ 150.00 to find out that all your electricals were ok, bad music. Better invest $ 50 or less on new base and cylinder gaskets. At our shop, 3 out of 4 same related problems were due to head gasket issues.

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Re: Nissan 18e2 hesitation

Sounds good. I don't know if it would help but I have a cheap multimeter from harbor freight and an online Seloc manual. Sounds like the gaskets are the way to go though. I appreciate your continued help with this problem. I will post what happens after replacing the gaskets.
 

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You need a professional multimeter that reads Ohms & DVA Volts required to trouble shoot electrical parts with engine off and on to diagnose properly.

http://www.esitest.com/530.html

If going for gasket change, it's not just a gasket swap only. Take advantage to clean crankcase and head water paths, both mating surfaces must be impecable clean and smooth to touch for a perfect seal as when engine was brand new. De carbon piston heads and head. Check thermostat condition, order a thermostat gasket too, just in case as usually breaks when removing thermo. Torque well following torque sequence order. Before adjusting crankcase back on pan, with enamel paint and small brush apply at least 2 coats to head gasket circumference to help seal better, let dry well. Place 2 new plugs gapped tight to 1.0 mm. Post you findings, good luck.

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Re: Nissan 18e2 hesitation

Ok guys, replaced head gasket and base gasket. Also, cleaned off what little carbon there was and new spark plugs. Took it for a test run yesterday and still the same problem.
 

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Your problem is at 1/2 to 3/4 throttle, right ? What about at wot, is it same ? Seems you have an electrical intermitent issue which is the hardest to diagnose by intrumentation, worst if boat/engine are at sea and missing. The fastest way to diagnose will be to swap electricall components like CD and Ignition Coil. Check if a good samaritan can lend you a Ignition Coil to test.

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Re: Nissan 18e2 hesitation

Wot is fine. Also, if I back off from wot and then go back to wot its fine but if I drop below 3000 rpms or so and try to go back to wot I get the hesitation. The little tach I got tops out at about 5300 rpms at wot with a light load in the boat. I know the wot rpm range is 5200-5800 but would I benefit any from a prop with a different pitch? I don't know anyone with an ignition coil or cd component that I could use to test. Thanks for your help.
 

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Re: Nissan 18e2 hesitation

Start with the Factory service manual, available from any dealer, including me, and diagnose the issue. Otherwise, you are just guessing.

To test the ignition system, you will need a good analog (not digital) multimeter, preferably with dva capability.
 
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