New motor problems - What would YOU do?

KIRKW99

Cadet
Joined
Dec 10, 2011
Messages
10
Here we go. My 2003 fuel injected Suzuki 225 2 stroke (aka LEMON) blew for the second time in less than two years two months ago, so I gave up on it and went in search of a new engine. I found a carbureted 1998 Yamaha 200 Saltwater Version 2 stroke out of Gulfport Mississippi. The ad stated that the engine had good compression within factory specs and “runs great”. I purchased the engine, had it shipped to my mechanic in Georgia, had the old engine removed and the new one installed. I have taken the boat out seven times and on each occasion the engine has not run well at all when heading out on a trip. I always idle the engine for at least ten minutes while launching, at the dock, parking the truck and moving out past the no wake buoys. The engine surges very badly, alternating between almost stopping and taking off like a bat out of hell. Yesterday I ran it about five miles with it doing this the whole way. The only time it does not surge is when I run it up to close to 40 MPH. I do not want to run that fast all of the time, so this is a major issue. It does run much better on the way back in after a few hours fishing with little or no surging. I spoke with the folks I bought it from and they offered to send me the kits to rebuild the three carburetors. They do not seem keen to my suggestion that they pay the labor to rebuild them saying they don’t know whether my mechanic installed the engine properly. They will take the engine back, but if I do that I am out of close to $2000 (about half what I paid for the engine) to cover what I have already paid to have the engine installed plus what it would cost to have it removed and pay return crating and shipping. In other words, they pretty much know that I am stuck with an engine that does not “run great” as advertised. To my thinking, there is not too much to installing an engine. 1. Bolt it to the stern. 2. Hook it up to the battery so it will start. 3. Provide a gas and oil supply. My mechanic is well known as one of the best in Georgia and assures me that these three requirements have been met. I even ran the engine off of a separate six gallon spare tank with 100% new fuel and a new fuel line to eliminate any possibility of fuel issues and the surging was the same. They asked what I would have them do and I suggested that they help pay for the repairs needed to get the engine to perform as advertised. As you might guess, this did not get much traction. What would you do from here? PS: My mechanic did install the Yamaha using the existing Suzuki switch and controls instead of the Yamaha ones sent by the seller, but I don't see where this could be the source of the problem. He says it should not matter.
 

Home Cookin'

Fleet Admiral
Joined
May 26, 2009
Messages
9,715
Re: New motor problems - What would YOU do?

I think you missed something. you did not buy a new motor. You bought a 13-14 year old salt water motor. Suck it up, rebuild the carbs and call it part of the cost of buying the motor. If it was your own 13 year old motor you would be doing it anyway.

Your surging could be anything from bad gas in your tank (hmmm maybe that what happened to your 8 year old motor) to idling for ten minutes before running it to your battery ground nut not being pliers tight. or somehting rattled loose in shipping.

I know how aggravating boat problems are. Tomorrow I pick up my new lower unit on a 2003 Yam and I am not excited about an expensive new toy. But that's just boating.

You have a good mechanic there, pay him to get it right and forget involving the seller. You tried, and they have their position--and the advantage of distance. You won't come out ahead by going back to them, even if they are dead wrong.
 

KIRKW99

Cadet
Joined
Dec 10, 2011
Messages
10
Re: New motor problems - What would YOU do?

OK, "new" was a poor choice of words. Still, they did say the engine ran great when it does not. Rebuilding the carbs may or may not fix the issue. I eliminated fuel issues.....
 

KIRKW99

Cadet
Joined
Dec 10, 2011
Messages
10
Re: New motor problems - What would YOU do?

Battery conections are very tight, I made sure of that. You may be right about sucking it up, though. I eliminated fuel issues with the spare tank and besides that I run through my 80 gallon tank every few weeks as I fish constantly.
 

oops!

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Oct 18, 2007
Messages
12,932
Re: New motor problems - What would YOU do?

what does your mechanic say about the motor?.....chances are he knows what the problem is.....

if you dont have the cash to pay him to fix it...our outboard gurus here are great.......post it in the appropreate forum......and do exactally what they tell you.......done !
 

99yam40

Fleet Admiral
Joined
Sep 7, 2008
Messages
9,281
Re: New motor problems - What would YOU do?

I agree with Home Cookin, what actually happened to you other motor?
Was it a fuel related issue that took it out twice?
and what did you do to make sure it was solved before installing the new old motor?
Trash or water in a large tank is very hard to clean and get all of it out.
What ever is in the tank or lines will end up in filters and the rest of the system causing major problems.

But some testing and you should find out what is wrong
 

yamatech43

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Feb 9, 2011
Messages
188
Re: New motor problems - What would YOU do?

If....IF the motor checks out all good(you didn't mention any of this so I have to guess) and compression is good all around, etc....then you may have a great motor...and it may have run for those people just fine before sitting a few weeks/months/years...gas goes bad quick these days....just accept the GIFT of the kits and you can easily
take the carbs apart and soak in cleaner for a few hours...then reassemble using the new kit parts...that's all a rebuild is...sounds like more, i know....we love to 'rebuild' carbs...easy money. You have a great motor there, good luck. p.s. much better reliability than the old 2 stroke suzukis....
 

yamatech43

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Feb 9, 2011
Messages
188
Re: New motor problems - What would YOU do?

Another thought....if the fuel pumps haven't been rebuilt(again, sounds like something when it's simple) then I would go ahead and do so...very cheap to do and easy. Can cause this also.
 

vrodrig

Petty Officer 3rd Class
Joined
Sep 16, 2011
Messages
90
Re: New motor problems - What would YOU do?

Hello Kirk and welcome, listen (read) LOL, I believe your problem with this engine is that the low side cuircits are pluged with fuel-oil varnish or residue. Its not a big deal this happens all the time when carbs are not drained before giong into stroage. Who knows how long this engine has been sitting. Take it form me I have rebuilt alot of carbs in my days and I have seen a lot of crap in these carb float bowls.

There are 2 circuits in the carbs a low side circuit for idle and a high side for cruising or take off, if any particals of rust, varnish, sand, water etc are obstructing these cuircuits your engine may surge. Your basicly obstructing fuel flow and this is what can cause the surge problem.

Yes I recommend going into them (carbs) & replace new kits, but first run a compression check on all cylinders. Compression should be well above 100 psi on all cylinders. The readings should also be more-or-less even of one another meaning one cylinder having 120 psi and all others another having about 120 psi. higher comperssion for a newer engine oviously. Your mechanic should know.
 
Top