Need help determining year of motor

[Jeb1971]

Hello.
I just aquired an evinrude 200 motor.
The id tag was removed. The cowl says that it
is a 200, and the paint scheme is dark blue with the
red white and blue striping, just like my '79 140hp.
The number on the freeze plug on top of the motor is: 396045.
I did a search of this number and came up empty handed.
Can anyone identify this motor's year so I can get parts for it?
Thanks, John

 

[wbeaton]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

Can you post any photos?

 

[HighTrim]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

and is that the only number on the frost plug? I have no match for that model number. These are the model numbers for the Evinrudes 200's in that era.

200640 200 1976
200649 200 1976
200740 200 1977
200749 200 1977
200840 200 1978
200849 200 1978
200940 200 1979
200949 200 1979

 

[F_R]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

Jeb, is that a Canadian motor?

 

[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

Hi folks.
Thanks for the replys.
I dont know if it is a canadian model. Yes, tyhat was the only # on the freeze plug. Kinda funny because my other evinrudes had both model and serial #'s there.
I am sending some pictures.
Thanks

 

[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

here is another pic of the powerhead.

 

[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

sorry, this will not allow the size of the photograph.
John

 

[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

Hi Folks,
Well, still trying to determine what year this motor is, I did a little looking and found that, (Assuming it is original to the motor), it has a 2 wire tilt and trim. According to my manual, that was from '81 and on.
Also, the carburetors do not have choke.
Is there any specific photos of the motor that anyone can suggest that
might help them help me determine the year of manufacture?

Thanks, John

 

[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

I found this ad from 1979 with the same paint scheme as my motor.
It appears from my research that this is the only year that this scheme was used. I guess I will assume that my motor is indeed a 79.
But I still can't understand why the #:396045 which is on the freeze plug (on top of the motor) does not match up anywhere?????
John

 

[emdsapmgr]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

The Evinrude paint schemes around that time were very similar from year to year, and you may have a different cowling on the engine. If you have not choke plates, it is not a 79. The 79 engines had choke plates. The 80 year was the first year for the primer solenoid. You can compare parts of engines from various years by getting on the Bombardier parts catalog website. epc.brp.com. You may be able to determine from those parts lists what year you have. Identification through the carb part numbers and jet sizes will also work.

 

[F_R]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

The weird number on the plug is why I suggested it being a Canadian motor (or some other country).

 

[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

Thanks.
Yes, it does have a primer solenoid.
Also a VRO which someone disabled the oil side. Is this common practice?
Were the VRO's unreliable?
Well, I know it is 1980 or later.
Thanks guys.

 

[emdsapmgr]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

The 83 was the last year for the 200 with the conventional (twin) fuel pumps. In 84, the VRO pump came out, but the 200 was derated (perhaps it became propshaft rated instead of crank rated) and offered as a 185. If you have a VRO, it must be at least an 84. Some felt the VRO's were not reliable, (and the very early ones may not have been the best) so they decided to bypass them and mix their oil with the gas. Actually, the pumps offered today are very reliable, albeit a little on the pricey side. Again, I think your cowling may not reflect your true engine-it is probably years older than your actual powerhead.

 

[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

Thanks Emdsapmgr.
I agree with you that I have an earlier cowl. Perhaps not even a 200. It does have the early VRO with no wires. The book I have says those VRO's came out in '84 and '85...No twin fuel pumps, so not '83.
I will try to get on the Bombadier parts website and do some part #
crunching to see what HP it is.
I hate to think I just went from 200 to 185..LOL!
If this is a Canadian or possibly foriegn motor as F_R suggested,
is there a database you know of where they list Numbers and Years
for them?
Thanks, John

 

[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

Update.
Well, thanks to your guys advice, I think I finally narrowed it down. It looks
to actually be a 235.
Acording to the Bombadier site, and figuring that it should be either '84 or '85 based on the VRO, which is a 'no wires' style, I found that my carbs have '70c' mains and #35 air bleeds.
this dosen't match anything in '84, but matches an '85 235HP motor.
I did notice, looking into the bores, that they have put boysen reed valves in.
If they upped the jetting, then I might be wrong, but if they are stock,
then I guess I did better than I thought in this purchase as I wanted
more power.
Still baffled about the #396045 not matching anywhere.
I'll keep searching.

 

[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

Actually there is only one of the (3) 235HP models in '85 (none in '84) that use that '70c' Main Jet.
It is J235STLCOR. Does anyone have one of these motors?
Here is the Bombadier site with the '70c' Jet as the 3rd item #15.

http://epc.brp.com/default.aspx?brands=ej&lang=E&dealerlocator=no

Thanks, John

 

[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

UPDATE!
Upon closer inspection, I found a tag attached to the bottom carburetor.
It has this stamped on it. "395465", "235 SP", "7 LJMX"
I have run a search on these numbers and have come up empty handed just as I did with that # on the freeze plug, but the '235' lends some creedance
to my assumption that it is a 235 based on the '70c' main jets in the carbs.
Does anyone recognize these numbers? Perhaps they are just for the carburetors.
Thanks All, John

 

[iwombat]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

If it has boyesen reeds, the jets are anywhere from 3 to 5 sizes bigger than stock.

And yes, that tag is the carb part #. You can search on that for a list of years applicable.

 

[ezeke]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

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[Jeb1971]

Re: Need help determining year of motor

Hi.
Thanks Ezeke. I was just looking up those same years and model carbs with that # '395465'
It appears that the '85 235HP and the '85 150HP both use that same carburetor and SAME '70c' main jet. Maby my hopes of this being a 235 are shot down in flames.
Atleast I know that the carbs are either 150 or 235 from '85..
I'll keep digging..
John